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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back

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to truth seekers uh tonight i'm gonna do

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something that i've wanted to do for

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quite some time

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uh we've had uh cal court as a frequent

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guest

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on our previous show the midnight hour

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and also

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on uh our new show here true sakers

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yeah he and i agree on many things

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but we disagree on one major thing and

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the roswell case um

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i'm gonna check in with

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amazon here for one second so that i can

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show you some things

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while we wait for mr korff to uh

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mr clerk to arrive

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okay got what i was looking for

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so mr corfett is an author of many books

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including one with me uh that you can

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find on amazon by searching for either

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cow core for stephen cambion on amazon

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but uh i'm going to show you the book

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that made me disagree with calcoor

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and and you can get it on amazon still

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think it's a great book

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uh the roswell ufo crash

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what they don't want you to know so

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you know normal people have

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disagreements in private

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but like i suppose people like me or

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kalkworth will have a disagreement

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on a public live stream because why

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would you not do that

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why would i not uh if if i'm gonna have

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a juicy sort of debate or argument with

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a friend

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i thought why don't i do this on the

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show why don't we just

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both do this on the show and then

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uh other people could sort of uh

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apparently calculus is having some

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issues streamer not liking safari

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first that i've heard that so

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but i read this book and i disagree with

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him for many different reasons

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uh mostly i believe that he is very

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of the all of the testimony that people

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given about the event

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i'm pretty sure that everyone that's

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watching here tonight knows what roswell

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is but for those that don't of course uh

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just quickly in 1947 something crashed

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something mysterious crashed in the

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what that is that's where

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so something crashed that we all know

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and can agree on the disagreements begin

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about what was it that crashed

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there have been a bunch of major

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i don't buy that i'm sorry for various

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reasons we'll get into once our guests

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i do not buy the weather balloon theory

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balloon years and years later they

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project mogul which was designed to go

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uh mr kalkworth disagrees

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and uh boy boy do we disagree

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you know saying uh we'll take some

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how refreshing for folks to be able to

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disagree and still enjoy talking to one

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or we could just do it on a live stream

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uh if you can manage to arrive here

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i had not planned to do an intro i

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so i apologize he's trying to figure out

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let's hope he uh works through it um

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so in the meantime any questions

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comments for me please put them in

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all caps uh yeah and spooky

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uh says i hope you all like my colorized

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pictures yes we have

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okay cal says that it's verifying that

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here's what i'll say or or some things

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all the books i probably read them all

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give the wrong

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yeah thomas j carey and donald schmidt

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witness to roswell unmasking the

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government's biggest cover-up

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aliens and an alien crash landing and a

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don schmidt and and tom uh lay out a

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my confirmation bias caused a lot of uh

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i'm probably biased

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course i want this story to be true

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alien bodies alien technology

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is it a true story well according to a

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incredible researchers and authors and

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credible theory that it was aliens that

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things while their parents were dying

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aliens told things about government

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cover-ups and how they were threatened

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that we're not alone in the universe and

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that they were there the day those

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many people on their deathbed would

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start making up stories about aliens and

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the people in the book were verified to

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be there

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credentials or whatever

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that they were at the event or near the

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so yeah i don't know

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and after reading all this books that

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were greatly in support of

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uh the alien hypothesis then i read

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calcour's book

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it was like somebody just punched me in

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the nuts

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right uh but we're gonna talk about that

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and uh you know uh kalkorf and i agree

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i think we disagree on this but we can

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have a lively discussion and

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and still stay friends all right i

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promise not to

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yell and scream at him or i hope he

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won't yell and scream at me

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he might i don't know so anyway without

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further ado let's welcome our guest here

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is here hey cal hey steve how you doing

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oh one second you're gonna have to bear

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there we go and let me do one other

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oh geez i told you i was on a new

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workstation you were having

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issues today and so was i hold on one

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ah

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one second

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okay there i think i fixed what my issue

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is okay

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everything fine yeah i think so go ahead

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say something again

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uh nice to see you again hope you're

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doing well

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okay there you go yeah i'm good for some

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reason on my new workstation the speaker

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and the headphones play at the same time

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and i have to tell it to turn off the

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speaker i don't know what's going you

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know new workstation so

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everything is a little wonky so how you

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can do it i hope you had a good holiday

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and everything

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yeah i mean pandemic considering like

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everybody else but

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uh was just uh i think the smart thing

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to do is just hunker down and

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try to ride this out and follow science

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yeah well i tend to i tend to definitely

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agree with you

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my my my parents are dead and i only

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have a brother

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who i just realized recently i haven't

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seen him i didn't see him for a year

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before the pandemic started and i

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haven't seen him since

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so but my wife i feel most paid for

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because she has six brothers and sisters

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they're very close these just

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two three nights a week she'd be at her

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mom's before this and she has barely

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seen her mom so we skipped we skipped

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the big you know

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party and just stayed home and uh but

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that's the healthiest thing to do right

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yeah it'll be over soon i think some

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good news is that i may be getting

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vaccinated early because my wife is

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somehow

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uh on the essential list because she

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works in a big payroll capacity

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manufacturer so she's essential and i

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think they bring in the spouses too

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okay yeah so that means yeah let's

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talk about roswell that's what we're

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here for

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okay you punched me in the nuts with

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that book

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because i was reading dodge schmidt and

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loving don schmidt

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oh boy okay but you've i don't know if

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you heard what i was talking about

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let's see no sorry okay well let's

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address some of this first

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i think the main problem i have with

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your book is that you're just

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very dismissive of all these

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eyewitnesses

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i know that some of them came out years

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after the event and things like that

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which maybe would make you question

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their

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why is it that your book is so

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well actually it's not and it's easily

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proven

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in fact i have a copy of it here in in

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fact this is my girlfriend's copy

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and i'm sending it to her because she's

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never seen it and now i'm in trouble

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because

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the world knows now what i'm sending to

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her but this is the book you're talking

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about here

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the roswell ufo crash what they don't

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want you to know

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that they shared it on amazon i showed

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everybody

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yeah they are the um ufo conspiracy nuts

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the top

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roswell authors when this book came out

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this is the

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uh most recent edition it came out in

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2000 it's the first one to expose

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colonel philip corso and his claims

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because now on that i agree with you i

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agree with you on course though i think

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corso's [\h__\h]

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well the reason i'm mentioning this is

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honestly not to plug the book

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i'm just pointing it out and reminding

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everybody especially the young people

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today

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of two things this stuff was solved in

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the 1990s

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there's no question and hopefully by the

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end of your show here steve

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i'll prove it secondly i'm one of the

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four

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original roswell ufo researchers who

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grew

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up with bill moore and stanton friedman

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because of what i saw and i'll share all

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this with you exclusively here for the

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first time

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in detail uh and you can't take this out

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of the universe it doesn't matter what

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anybody thinks about

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uh roswell uh with what i'm about to

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share

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i ended up gravitating and becoming much

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closer to bill moore

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than friedman because of roswell and the

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hill case

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and their books coming out exposing and

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proving all this with original

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documentation

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so it doesn't matter what kevin randle

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says doesn't matter what don schmidt

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says

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and there's a reason they do what they

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do so i'm not dismissive of the original

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witnesses any witnesses and i'll tell

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you why there's a reason

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in this book that i've got two separate

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chapters on the witnesses

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because there's a clear pattern here the

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first one is the original

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roswell eyewitnesses these are important

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because they're foundational

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foundational means what it does or it

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means nothing at all

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if the foundation sucks or it's bogus or

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wrong

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or flawed it doesn't matter what happens

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afterwards it's it's reality that's the

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way reality works

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then the next chapter is the new roswell

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eyewitnesses and

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they're all fake and they happen to

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occur after and i'll deal with them

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later

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so the what started me doing this was

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as i was growing up with bill moore and

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stanton friedman i followed roswell as

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one of the four original guys

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friends we're all friends and uh that

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we're all still alive except for sam

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friedman who passed a little over a year

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ago

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well yeah we're kind of m.i.a though

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well yeah but he's still alive as far as

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i know

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yeah so and the assumption is we're

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still friends i haven't seen bill

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since he last a long time he endorsed

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this book

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so did a lot of people and friedman knew

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i was writing this book

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and i'll get to all this in a moment but

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back to your question about the original

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roswell

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witnesses i don't dismiss them i

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actually

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tell you who's telling the truth and

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who's not and i prove it and let me go

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down the list

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first of all the claim by kevin randle

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and randall and schmidt started it

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and it's just pure [\h__\h] is that

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there are hundreds of roswell

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witnesses no look up the definition of a

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witness in a dictionary

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it speaks for itself people who heard

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something who heard something who heard

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something are not

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witnesses period doesn't matter

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that's you fooligy not ufology ufology i

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respectfully remind everybody

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is the scientific study of ufo data

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period you fooligy is when you make

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conclusions

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that are not based on credible data it

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doesn't matter what the case is

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what happened now stanton friedman

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taught me these words

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our very first meeting in may 1975. it's

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on tape

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he told me what eufooligy was because i

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had mispronounced

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ufology when i first met him i'd never

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spoken to anybody about ufos in the ufo

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i'm a little boy so when i go to

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interview him uh after he starts

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immediately bashing heineken it was

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funny

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uh he says i said uh ufo ology he said

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no it's ufology

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and then he goes on to explain the

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difference between ufology and eupholigy

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that's how i learned about it and later

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i was

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as it's a matter of record and this

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stuff is coming out again

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and it's funny that you would use those

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terms and then you write a book about

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uh about the star map and bust his

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theory with his own words

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yeah handed them back to him 20 years

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later right

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well it went further than that and i'm

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very glad you bring up this point

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because

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i don't think you're one of the few who

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have connected these

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dots and i don't mean in the starmap

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sense

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i'm the person who invented the project

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the ufo dictionary

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in fact in the very first issue a fair

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witness the publication that bill moore

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came out with in

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you know the early 1980s it mentions me

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as being part of that group

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plus the head of this project and the

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reason i started this project as a

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teenager

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is because i was the outstanding student

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in school

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got the awards everything for library

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sciences

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and i just love that stuff yeah i'm not

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going to actually need to know how to

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use that card catalog i got taught that

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i remember that that's something i could

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just

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let go from my mind though i'll never

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00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:54,960
need to know that again

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00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,470
you're right but you're wrong i hated

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the dewey decimal system

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i thought who the hell would think up

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something like this

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ufos were in zero zero zero one i'm like

532
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who the hell

533
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that's intuitive right so i made up my

534
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own system

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so the point is you were the you know

536
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this big whiz kid and you were into ufos

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and for those that don't know like uh

538
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cal would like write

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these other ufo authors letters and they

540
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had no idea that he was like a high

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school kid because he was so smart and

542
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well read and well informed about ufos

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and then he became

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i don't know i don't want to tell your

545
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,520
story but you did become sort of like

546
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the young gun

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among all of these really well-known ufo

548
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,000
researchers

549
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you were the young guy and you would

550
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help them with their stuff and

551
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that was yeah that's amazing i got along

552
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with everybody and that's in the days

553
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where people were a lot more civil

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uh you know i ironically was the

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journalist who broke open the story

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about wendell stevens and what happened

557
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,320
to him and

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you know the child molestation case and

559
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,840
all that went undercover

560
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,520
just to get to the truth of the meyer

561
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,679
case published the expose of it

562
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,520
bill moore published i'm pretty sure you

563
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,200
didn't get along with billy meyer too

564
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,120
well

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meyer refused to see me uh and then i

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had that

567
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,600
so yeah snuck in like a believer right

568
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:17,679
that's awesome i never i never had any

569
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,159
awesome swiss food with him no

570
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,919
but anyway back to the original

571
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,679
witnesses as i

572
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:26,480
learned about roswell and my involvement

573
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,520
with it goes back

574
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,679
actually before it became roswell as we

575
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,120
knew it because stan

576
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,400
had met major jesse marcel we also knew

577
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:36,080
len stringfield len stringfield had

578
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,520
heard about the case

579
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,200
and it was starting to look interesting

580
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,960
heinrich was a bit dismissive

581
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,039
but when you look at all of the real

582
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,799
witnesses you have to go back to the

583
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,520
original

584
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,080
sources people who i do agree with that

585
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,520
on this point though

586
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,720
there was a certain number of original

587
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,080
original witnesses and then over time

588
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,080
it just keeps branching out and

589
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,679
branching out

590
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,480
and and there's more and more people

591
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,480
being found or located or suddenly

592
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:06,080
remembering that they helped pick up

593
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,720
debris

594
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,799
or help start something off and these

595
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,240
are the people that some of these

596
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,080
authors got to later

597
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,559
but i mean right could it be that they

598
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,240
just didn't tell their story because no

599
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,840
one was interested or that they were

600
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,799
scared or

601
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,120
whatever for decades until the story

602
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,720
became popular and then somebody

603
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,480
contacted them and then they said their

604
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,600
story

605
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,320
no in fact uh i'll be the first to admit

606
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:30,480
that if roswell ever turns out to be

607
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,960
anything

608
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,880
other than project mogul and again by

609
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,559
the time we're done here

610
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,840
i think i'll be able to pretty much

611
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,240
prove the case um

612
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,000
i would be the first to admit i'm wrong

613
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,360
and i i'd love

614
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,840
that as a possibility but i know the

615
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,480
genesis from firsthand involvement

616
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,320
this is a matter again a public record

617
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:50,159
so people like kevin randall don schmidt

618
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,039
can't deny it

619
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,039
they don't talk about it and we're gonna

620
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,880
exp i'm gonna expose them on that very

621
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,080
shortly here

622
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,360
but here's the issue you have to go back

623
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,000
to the first

624
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,960
sources the people who handled the stuff

625
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:05,039
who were unquestionably there mac brazil

626
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,480
being one of them of course

627
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,760
his daughter bessie being another

628
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,240
when you hunt down who these people

629
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,440
really were

630
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:16,159
there are only seven and that's why

631
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,559
they're

632
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,640
the only ones in the chapter there's

633
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:19,919
only seven

634
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,799
this is beyond dispute now let who are

635
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:23,919
these seven

636
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,720
well here's where it falls apart you've

637
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:27,279
got

638
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,640
bessie brazil his daughter

639
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,919
she handles the debris she sees it

640
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:36,159
she picks it up and this is a quote from

641
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:37,200
her it looked

642
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,679
like a balloon which had burst unquote

643
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,720
well i don't know about you steve but i

644
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,960
i can't even pretend to tell you what an

645
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,360
alien spacecraft would look like but i

646
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:51,600
don't think it would look like a balloon

647
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,799
that had burst now let me let me ask you

648
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,520
one question

649
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,760
about the balloon thing because you know

650
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,000
uh i i could share i could share

651
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,760
something from twitter here

652
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,679
uh real quick because this is an

653
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,279
important part and one of the reasons

654
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,039
why i think i disagree with you and i

655
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,559
could be wrong so i'm

656
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,960
putting that out there and saying hey uh

657
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,000
i could be wrong

658
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,480
let me get let me get somewhere from our

659
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:16,080
show here spooky and i want i want to

660
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,000
thank her she did this

661
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:21,360
amazing uh job colorizing

662
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,880
some of the original uh roswell

663
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,960
stuff okay so here here's your balloon

664
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,559
picks

665
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,559
okay so this is a balloon with a radar

666
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:31,840
reflector

667
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,120
and and here's another view of it and

668
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:36,799
here's why i have a problem because if

669
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,039
it's

670
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,799
been something like this a radar

671
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,720
reflector and a balloon

672
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,960
it wouldn't have there was people that

673
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:45,039
said that the debris field was square

674
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:45,600
miles

675
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:49,360
long well okay we'll get to that in a

676
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,000
moment but

677
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,240
if i if you can just follow my logic

678
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,919
here this is easily addressable first of

679
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
all these photos

680
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,279
are a phony straw man argument with due

681
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,320
respect

682
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,080
it's great they're colorized i love that

683
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:01,840
stuff when it's done accurately but this

684
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,400
is not

685
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,200
what mogul looked like the balloons were

686
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:06,799
over uh

687
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:09,520
basically the size of a football field

688
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,240
okay okay

689
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,919
so that explains specifically so there's

690
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:13,600
a difference between a mobile balloon

691
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:14,000
and a

692
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,520
regular weather balloon with a radar

693
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,840
reflection right this is photo op stuff

694
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:20,559
mogul was as classified as the manhattan

695
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,200
project

696
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,360
in world war ii that's a fact it

697
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,200
remained classified for decades

698
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,039
because of government not caring that's

699
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,480
it um

700
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,760
now um there were leaks about mogul

701
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,320
it was called the new york university

702
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,720
balloon project as a cover

703
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,279
but um this is not what mogul looked

704
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:41,200
like mogul was a lot more complicated

705
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,919
that

706
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,159
in fact in the book as you may recall i

707
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,919
have a illustration that shows that

708
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:47,279
mogul was over six

709
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,720
about 650 feet long okay

710
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,559
it was taller than the washington

711
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,760
monument which is 555 feet tall

712
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,000
and there's a comparison in there with

713
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,000
it in the eiffel tower statue of liberty

714
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,440
in the washington monument

715
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,760
that's how big this thing was so if

716
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,520
anything the description of the debris

717
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,520
field is actually smaller

718
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,720
it shows that not all the mogul debris

719
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,720
was in one piece when it came down

720
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:15,200
it likely broke off because they would

721
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,320
release

722
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,159
parts of the balloon trains it was part

723
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,159
of how they kept the altitude constant

724
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,480
also things break up there and they had

725
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,679
problems uh

726
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,760
in the early days of getting this uh

727
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:27,279
fairly stable

728
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:31,279
so uh reach a certain altitude just from

729
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:31,600
the

730
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,279
for years

731
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,159
it was a mixed bag but it did lead to

732
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,480
things like today today there are drones

733
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,679
that hover up there

734
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,679
where it's a fact that we could hear

735
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,760
explosions in russia

736
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,440
through the acoustic channel in the

737
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,320
atmosphere up there tens of thousands of

738
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,720
feet and that's just physics and it was

739
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,880
wonderful stuff and we did it because if

740
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,039
stalin knew we were spying on him 10

741
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,559
years before sputnik

742
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,559
he would have blown up his nukes

743
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:24,080
underground and we would have learned a

744
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,200
lot less

745
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,600
so mogul was a very interesting thing

746
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,840
the science was fascinating

747
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:32,080
but back to the original witnesses

748
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,200
imagine this

749
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,679
you you're a witness and you say it

750
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,159
looked like a balloon that had burst

751
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,640
and she remembered picking up a part of

752
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,520
it that she put her wrist through

753
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,279
and she said it reminded her of a

754
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,039
bracelet

755
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,679
and it turns out that that was the oh

756
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,080
ring assembly it certainly fits it

757
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,960
that uh was attached to part of the

758
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,880
balloon train for mogul

759
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,679
uh she said that uh remember the the

760
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:01,600
balloon thing was black and burned and

761
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,960
had that smell

762
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,559
of burnt rubber well that's because it

763
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,399
had been in the sun for a while

764
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:08,640
they even said brazil himself said they

765
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,640
found it around mid-june

766
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,120
that fits the timeline for mogul this

767
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,039
july 4 thing was totally

768
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,919
made up by ufo researchers stanton

769
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,080
friedman made it up specifically

770
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,240
only because it made the news around the

771
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,679
july 4th weekend

772
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,200
that doesn't mean marcel went

773
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,960
immediately to the base he didn't he

774
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,240
admits he went home

775
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,760
but back to the original witness she

776
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,360
says no

777
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,159
no spaceship no debris no aliens no

778
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:36,080
metal that you couldn't bend with a 16

779
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,279
pound sledgehammer

780
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,520
that's fish story stuff that was never

781
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,520
true and we know who made that up and

782
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,279
i'll prove that in a few minutes

783
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,120
so there goes witness number one it's

784
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,399
important what her

785
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,960
testimony is no matter what it is then

786
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,399
you've got the proctors

787
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,360
loretta proctor and her husband floyd

788
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,520
they're in the original roswell books

789
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,799
quoted uh i you know

790
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,559
know them or knew them when they were

791
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,360
live and they were clear and i put this

792
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,480
in the book

793
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:07,279
that they never saw anything never saw

794
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,760
anything

795
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,559
they didn't even go down there because

796
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,559
tires were expensive that's their own

797
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,360
words

798
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:16,240
and they you know we can't we can't

799
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,310
didn't say it was a flying saucer he

800
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,919
just said hey there's this stuff that

801
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,960
fell

802
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,480
take a look at it and he didn't know

803
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,760
what it was he didn't know what it was

804
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,519
until he went into a bar

805
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,320
and heard stories about ufos and he's

806
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:36,240
like well maybe one of them fell on my

807
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,039
property

808
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:39,679
you know okay there you go genesis of

809
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,399
whatever

810
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:42,799
it's a human thing to do he didn't know

811
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,519
so he

812
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,360
was encouraged to take some and bring it

813
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,559
in there was a reward

814
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,720
everyone told him it was in the news the

815
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,640
government wants a reward for these

816
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,399
there were rewards yeah i've heard that

817
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,320
story that he went and he heard all

818
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,240
these stories about there's a reward for

819
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:57,679
flying saucer

820
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,360
yeah absolutely so maybe he just equated

821
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,880
that hopefully that

822
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:05,039
he'll get some money out of this well he

823
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,080
didn't know what it was

824
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:08,559
and back then even the mogul team put

825
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,200
tags

826
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,200
on them they're in the record but

827
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:13,039
they're ignored by ufo researchers of

828
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:13,760
course

829
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,880
they're essentially hard to miss they're

830
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,519
big tags that stand out that say you

831
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,559
know return

832
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,799
to get a reward property of whomever in

833
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:24,640
this case new york university balloon

834
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,120
project

835
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,559
they're not going to say the top secret

836
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,159
project mobile

837
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,760
so i just want to i just want to

838
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:31,039
interrupt you for a second to mention

839
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,559
that i'm going to be showing some slides

840
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,320
tonight and these are courtesy of alien

841
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,519
scientists

842
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:38,080
uh who this presentation i believe it's

843
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,039
for his

844
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,559
uh conference that they're going to be

845
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,240
having on anti-gravity

846
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:44,080
propulsion technology and he's a

847
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,279
physicist and

848
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,360
has an interest in all of this stuff so

849
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,799
i want to thank him for providing some

850
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,399
of the slides and information that i was

851
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,080
going to

852
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:54,640
share with you cal and think what what

853
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,120
you know

854
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,080
what do you think of some of the newer

855
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,600
sort of research that is

856
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,039
rehashing or finding new things you know

857
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,679
we haven't gotten up to anything uh

858
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:07,279
anything through juicy yet but

859
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,279
uh here's one so mac and maggie brazil

860
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,840
the former ranch foreman according to

861
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,760
this mack's son bill brazile showed

862
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,519
pieces of the memory foil members some

863
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,880
of the neighborhood girls d

864
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,039
proctor sally strickland i believe those

865
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,200
people were interviewed by schmidt and

866
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,399
carrie and randall okay now i need to

867
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,640
to stop you right there with due respect

868
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,919
only because of this

869
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,840
first of all the moment you say randall

870
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:33,919
and schmidt and carrie or any of those

871
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,399
i'm sorry clowns you fooligists again

872
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,320
these are people who make conclusions

873
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:41,760
which are not derived

874
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,279
from credible data two quick examples

875
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,320
years ago in prague and i admit i did

876
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,399
some clowning before the camera i did a

877
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,080
series called the scandals of kevin

878
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,159
randle i shot 23

879
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,399
videos actually 27 if you include the

880
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,679
ones we never aired

881
00:34:02,310 --> 00:33:59,200
and all i did is i opened up his

882
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:02,320
best-selling top three books at random

883
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,840
chose pages at random and destroyed

884
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,320
and it just would tear out a page at the

885
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:10,000
end we never did it on camera and by the

886
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,440
end of the book it there's nothing left

887
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:13,280
but the index and table of contents

888
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,879
so to speak anyway

889
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,639
the nuns someone saying in the live chat

890
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:20,399
that his books has references and

891
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,040
sources

892
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,839
no no yeah but they they're useless the

893
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:26,000
catholic nuns they don't exist i said

894
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,119
that years ago

895
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:29,679
randall admitted after he divorced

896
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,480
schmidt

897
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,399
they don't exist oh and then he says oh

898
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,000
i didn't know schmidt

899
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,399
you know schmidt i trusted schmidt

900
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,679
that's on you randall

901
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,520
frank kaufman i said he was a hoaxer

902
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,839
from day one i debated and defeated

903
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,480
randall on

904
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,119
abc tv in front of a live audience in

905
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:46,800
seattle on como tv

906
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,240
in 1997 i proved that

907
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,320
kaufman wasn't even in the military at

908
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,919
the time roswell went down

909
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,159
and then only after he dies randall goes

910
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,400
there and oh i'm gonna expose him

911
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,800
no more like cover your own butt kevin

912
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,079
see i don't buy this

913
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:04,880
shapeshifter stuff randall a few years

914
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,359
ago

915
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,839
said stephen you may remember this he

916
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,920
doesn't buy the alien explanation for

917
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,359
roswell anymore meaning

918
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,520
he admits that all the alien body

919
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,200
witnesses are not credible

920
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,760
every single one of them and that's on

921
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,599
his own he didn't write about them

922
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,000
before he made this determination but i

923
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,160
mean doesn't that show that he's not

924
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,040
such an [\h__\h] if he you know no no

925
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,880
maybe he made a mistake and he's trying

926
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,079
to correct that mistake

927
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,599
and say you know maybe i was wrong about

928
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:33,359
these people or whatever

929
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,880
you're right it is it is fine if it was

930
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:39,040
you know sweet and blue and innocent but

931
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,079
no it wasn't

932
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,640
it's calculus as i said years ago

933
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,640
randall will milk the roswell cow

934
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,400
until it doesn't come home anymore and

935
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,440
he's still absolutely just a

936
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,119
clarification the person who said his

937
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,119
books have references and sources

938
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:53,040
they weren't talking about these other

939
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:55,520
guys they were talking about you

940
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,880
so you know no my books do have

941
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,079
references as well

942
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,240
and if you check them out you'll find

943
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:04,240
out that they back up what i'm saying

944
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,839
now let's get back to this just for a

945
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,280
second okay i'm answering

946
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:10,000
this question about bill brazil jr okay

947
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,640
yeah

948
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,880
the story that these people credit to

949
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,880
him isn't true and we know it from bill

950
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,480
brazel himself

951
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,720
because we talked to bill brazel his

952
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,599
testimony

953
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,240
of what use little use it was is in the

954
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,320
original roswell incident book

955
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,720
and he says very clearly the air force

956
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
took the stuff away from him

957
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,960
and we know that isn't true so he there

958
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,599
wasn't anything around for him to later

959
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,760
do shock and awe with any subsequent

960
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:37,440
people the descendants

961
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,640
it's not true it is not true

962
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,920
well just to play devil's advocate

963
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,440
couldn't his child have showed this to

964
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:45,119
these two girls before they came and

965
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,240
took it back

966
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,079
no we've heard various stories of people

967
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,560
having portions of debris where

968
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,480
some mysterious men from the military

969
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,599
came and

970
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,280
and no one certain terms told them that

971
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,880
we're taking this

972
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
no because bill brown was very clear he

973
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:01,280
wasn't even at the ranch that's another

974
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,680
myth

975
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,839
he says he wasn't there when it happened

976
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,359
he said he was at

977
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,079
he was in i believe corona in a bar when

978
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,520
he heard about it

979
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,359
and then he heard the name of his father

980
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,359
because he was in that famous article

981
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:15,680
that later was the basis of the wire

982
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,400
story

983
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,880
so what happened was he eventually made

984
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,079
it to the ranch

985
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,640
then uh he says he found a piece of it

986
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,160
and that the air force took it

987
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,800
and that that all happened in a very

988
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,720
short period of time not years later

989
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,400
where he's still showing people

990
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,480
blah blah blah and then we found out he

991
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,640
wasn't even telling the truth about that

992
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:36,480
it turns out that the air force changed

993
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,069
wrong and basically he's like well he

994
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,200
just wanted kind of

995
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:49,280
his 15 minutes of fame so he did back

996
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,240
off and

997
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,920
his sister didn't support his story

998
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:53,520
either so uh

999
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:56,000
again it was incredible oh and about the

1000
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,880
proctors

1001
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,680
after floyd proctor died loretta proctor

1002
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,599
suddenly said she held the debris

1003
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,520
tried to burn it and couldn't couldn't

1004
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,520
dent it couldn't whittle it with a

1005
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,640
pocket knife

1006
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,720
she just parroted all the stuff other

1007
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,640
people said even kevin randle

1008
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,920
dumped her but i said all this in 1997

1009
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,839
because as one of the four original

1010
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,040
researchers

1011
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,720
we knew and that's why bill moore

1012
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,720
endorsed the mogul conclusion

1013
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,119
officially changed he's to be commended

1014
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:24,960
for that okay well what about

1015
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,000
randall who's like well uh so and so

1016
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:29,839
died so to cover my ass i better go

1017
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,800
expose him

1018
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:33,040
no that's very different that's calculus

1019
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,720
so what about the sheriff's daughter who

1020
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,760
later said

1021
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,200
she indicated that she believes the

1022
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,960
deputies had gone out to the crash site

1023
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,640
before the arrival of military to the

1024
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,000
county jail she said that they had

1025
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,920
arrived back but had not located the

1026
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,440
crash site itself but they did

1027
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,320
locate a large circle shaped blackened

1028
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,839
area that was baked hard

1029
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,440
later when the deputies tried to go out

1030
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,119
there again the military had

1031
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,040
corded off the area and there was no way

1032
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:56,560
to get to see anything

1033
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,160
would a crashed balloon make a

1034
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,160
circle shaped blackened area that was

1035
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:04,480
baked hard or would that be

1036
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:08,079
something no no but again uh that story

1037
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,480
has

1038
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,040
absolutely zero evidence to support it

1039
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,880
we know the sheriff didn't take off

1040
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,200
because everyone's time is accounted for

1041
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,839
because you have to remember that the

1042
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,320
sheriff is the one who called

1043
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,800
roswell army airfield and jesse marcel

1044
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,839
was eventually

1045
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:25,680
assigned to go down to the sheriff's

1046
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:27,040
office where the sheriff was there

1047
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,320
waiting for him and

1048
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,720
that was it so that's all accounted for

1049
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,920
not only that

1050
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,640
even marcel said that there was no gouge

1051
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,680
in the ground

1052
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,800
that there was no crash okay again this

1053
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:39,680
is a

1054
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,040
post description event that has been put

1055
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,800
on by ufo researchers

1056
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,760
and i have to tell you one smoking gun

1057
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:49,520
which is going to come to a head this

1058
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:50,160
year it's

1059
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,920
volume 5 of the ufology eu fooligy

1060
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:55,760
series that's it's called the roswell

1061
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,520
ufo crash debris

1062
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,760
switch solved it proves there was no

1063
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,280
debris switch and it uses

1064
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:04,079
evidence that marcel himself signed off

1065
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,960
on

1066
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:07,280
because the photos that i was given by

1067
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,160
bill moore

1068
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,240
which major marcel signed off of have

1069
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,760
been found in the

1070
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,240
recently unopened archive i didn't think

1071
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,839
think they survived

1072
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,920
and these can be forensically dated

1073
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:19,760
they're the real deal and they prove the

1074
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,720
true nature of the roswell debris

1075
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,319
are those photos in the stan friedman

1076
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,319
archive or where were they found again

1077
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,880
no what happened is uh when stanton

1078
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:30,560
friedman showed me the roswell debris

1079
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,119
photos

1080
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,800
at his office in union city because we

1081
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,240
lived near each other

1082
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,119
i recognized one of them as having been

1083
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,160
published in

1084
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,160
look magazine in a special on flying

1085
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,920
saucers i went home

1086
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,400
back to my archive saw that and this was

1087
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,160
the photo with irving newton

1088
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,960
holding the debris so when i saw stan

1089
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,640
the next time to interview him for saga

1090
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,400
ufo report magazine

1091
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,160
i wrote many articles for them i was a

1092
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,599
columnist for them

1093
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,839
analyzed ufo photos ironically with bill

1094
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,640
spalding

1095
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,599
using computers what happened is i told

1096
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,440
stan i said this is not

1097
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:06,079
indestructible material obviously it's

1098
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,040
foil

1099
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,119
he looks at me and he says oh there must

1100
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,359
have been a debris switch

1101
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,359
yeah i have a slide for that but before

1102
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:15,280
we get to that this is another thing i

1103
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:16,720
disagree with you on

1104
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,160
uh in your book uh

1105
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,079
there's there's some stuff about jesse

1106
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:24,560
marcel uh somebody said that he like

1107
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,920
uh exaggerates and this and that but uh

1108
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,680
you know like i agree with this slide he

1109
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,200
was familiar with red weather

1110
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,680
observation balloons radar targets mylar

1111
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,520
and all conventional aircraft

1112
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,200
materials of error he was an

1113
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,560
intelligence officer

1114
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,720
right but but you're saying that he

1115
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,000
didn't recognize

1116
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,800
that that degree was just balloons or

1117
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,480
mylar

1118
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,359
no no later in the interviews cal you

1119
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,200
know the famous interview he said

1120
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,480
the material was not of this earth

1121
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,280
it was nothing that we could manufacture

1122
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:58,560
okay

1123
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,880
we jesse marcel i i was leading up to

1124
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,920
him as being the

1125
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,000
the king witness because he's held up as

1126
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:08,240
the g equivalent of jesus christ in the

1127
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,880
roswell

1128
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,720
incident well i won't go that far but

1129
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,720
yeah he's the other well no there is no

1130
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:13,200
better

1131
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,280
oh is the original big big witness and

1132
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,760
i gotta say like when those guys failed

1133
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:20,800
him

1134
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,800
been all patting each other on the back

1135
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,560
like this is the smoking gun we've got

1136
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,880
the guy that's gonna say that the debris

1137
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,839
he saw it it was alien it wasn't human

1138
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,640
made

1139
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:35,119
right yeah right but that's not what he

1140
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,240
really said so

1141
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,800
i can clarify that easy all right so

1142
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920
what happens is

1143
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:42,000
um because i'm seeing this pattern with

1144
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,200
stanton friedman now

1145
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,960
literally in front of me he makes up the

1146
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,960
debris switch story and i go to bill

1147
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,560
moore about it and he says no there was

1148
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,079
no debris switch this is

1149
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:52,480
photos of the real debris translation

1150
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,280
houston

1151
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,680
we have a problem so then bill moore

1152
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,119
comes out and sees me

1153
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,920
and he and i do a press event together

1154
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:01,520
i've never shared this article on the

1155
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,079
internet

1156
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,319
it's published for the first time ever

1157
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,599
as far as i know

1158
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:08,880
uh in the new roswell updated book and

1159
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,880
then seeing these uncropped photos

1160
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,440
taken of the debris i said bill can i

1161
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:17,040
have those photos he said sure because

1162
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,000
he was basically

1163
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,640
winding up being done with roswell so he

1164
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,160
gives them to me

1165
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,200
confronted stan with them again

1166
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,640
and of course he was heading off to

1167
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,240
canada and things like that around this

1168
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,160
time just to put it the time

1169
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,720
line in perspective and again must have

1170
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:34,079
been a debris switch even though there

1171
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,560
wasn't

1172
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,200
i reminded him what bill said and then i

1173
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,480
found out that you know

1174
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,480
stan had screwed bill in the back and

1175
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:42,000
had gone behind his back with the book

1176
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,200
on crash of corona

1177
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,400
and stan was going to run away they were

1178
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:48,319
trying to scoop each other on roswell

1179
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,640
because

1180
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,640
well they had a lot of money to be made

1181
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,319
right on the roswell

1182
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,480
you know it really boiled down to trust

1183
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,520
i'm not you know

1184
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,280
honestly i don't have any skin in this

1185
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,800
argument here but

1186
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,400
bill moore and stanton friedman were

1187
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,560
supposed to do a book together

1188
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,760
and stan was not big or powerful enough

1189
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,920
to be worth any publisher's attention so

1190
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,520
they went with berlitz

1191
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280
but they had more data and they would

1192
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,200
have done a great book together

1193
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,040
if they had both done a fair

1194
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,800
collaboration i think moore would have

1195
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,839
but stan

1196
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:20,640
had his flying saucer physicist agenda

1197
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,280
he told me

1198
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,040
many many times including at the very

1199
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,720
first meeting that he was going to be

1200
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,400
the guy to solve and blow open the

1201
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,680
cosmic watergate

1202
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,760
he was so disappointed in hindi quote

1203
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,760
unquote you know i was just jealousy

1204
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,040
penis envy i'm sorry

1205
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,079
to be blunt i'm just being honest

1206
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,720
with you and my ufo [\h__\h] is bigger than

1207
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,040
your ufo [\h__\h] cow court

1208
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,000
and kevin and kevin ran yeah but i'm

1209
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,000
circumcised anyway and i'm jewish so

1210
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,760
that's my i'm circumcised that i'm not

1211
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:48,560
jewish

1212
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:52,560
and of course i'm kidding about all of

1213
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,200
this folks

1214
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,680
please don't tell q anon well no you

1215
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,800
know what some people

1216
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,319
some people don't care about this but

1217
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,160
some of us do care about the history and

1218
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,079
hearing about these older guys

1219
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,200
from ufologies you know heyday

1220
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,040
golden error and sort of the

1221
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,319
interpersonal

1222
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,800
stuff between them you know and yeah

1223
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,839
because they're real

1224
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,079
they're real um as kevin ramsey brings

1225
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,760
us i've got this other slide here that

1226
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,680
i've got to ask you about

1227
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,200
there's a few more on this list that i

1228
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,880
really gotta ask you about so

1229
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,800
we've got sergeant leroy wallace and

1230
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,480
sergeant charles randall

1231
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,480
wallace was a sergeant at roswell army

1232
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,760
airfield uh who

1233
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,400
apparently was one of the people tasked

1234
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,240
with picking up the debris

1235
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:33,920
and his widow said that he scrubbed

1236
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,880
himself raw with lye soap for 10 days

1237
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,800
exclaiming to her that he should have

1238
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,240
never touched the weird sky

1239
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,319
falling metals and we have tech sergeant

1240
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,920
john tiffany

1241
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,000
who claimed that they he picked up a

1242
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,240
large centrifuge

1243
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,440
uh i'm sorry cylindrical container

1244
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,520
like a giant thermos bottle tiffany

1245
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:55,040
described the metal as being lightweight

1246
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,560
and tough it had smooth glaze like

1247
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,359
finish

1248
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,119
and it could not be marked or dented

1249
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,040
tiffany indicates the material was so

1250
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,960
foreign to him that he felt as though it

1251
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,440
was impossible to get fully clean

1252
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,079
after touching the alloy this does not

1253
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,760
sound like eyewitness testimony of

1254
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,440
somebody who picked up mylar from a

1255
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,280
crash balloon to me

1256
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,440
well again stephen there's no evidence

1257
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,200
these guys had anything to do with

1258
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,640
roswell and i'll tell you why it comes

1259
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,240
from marcel himself

1260
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:22,960
as well as cavett they're clear they

1261
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,359
click

1262
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:26,319
they collected everything that's why i

1263
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,359
took they were there

1264
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,880
the whole day it took them most of the

1265
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,400
day because they're only a couple guys

1266
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,200
there was no huge crew out there that is

1267
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,400
not true

1268
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,960
people say they were part of the collect

1269
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,760
collect

1270
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,160
crew whatever they say a lot of things

1271
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,839
what do they have to prove it

1272
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,720
nothing that's the problem you're gonna

1273
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:46,400
say that's nothing

1274
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:49,119
i have a feeling you'll say no no no no

1275
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:50,160
no we have this

1276
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,160
particular step okay go ahead

1277
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,160
it's important to also know that there

1278
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,240
were crashes out there

1279
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,079
and there were times where people were

1280
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,440
sent out to pick up debris

1281
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:04,160
there were times where i don't laugh but

1282
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,560
yes

1283
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,839
real crash test dummies which helped

1284
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,599
you know the first viking lander

1285
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,359
experiments were done out there in the

1286
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,319
desert

1287
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,920
that's the reason i put that photo on

1288
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,680
the cover of the new book

1289
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,920
it looks like a flying saucer sticking

1290
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,960
in the ground

1291
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,200
because the the shell to protect the

1292
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,400
lander is

1293
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:25,520
saucer shaped so you take decades of

1294
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,240
events

1295
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,480
you take people who have heard stories

1296
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,240
you take the government doing secret

1297
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,599
stuff out there

1298
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:33,839
fine you got a hodgepodge of things but

1299
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,640
when you go back to the original sources

1300
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,640
well marcel says we were out there all

1301
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:40,079
day picking it up was just me and a

1302
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
couple of guys

1303
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,960
and they said yeah it was just us that's

1304
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,640
it this was the whole thing

1305
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,319
we didn't know what it was they wouldn't

1306
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,319
tell us doesn't mean it was

1307
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,680
alien and marcel didn't know the weather

1308
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,000
stuff

1309
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,040
they assumed that and about marcel

1310
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,119
what kind of credible witness lies about

1311
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,880
having a bachelor's degree in nuclear

1312
00:48:03,430 --> 00:47:59,599
physics

1313
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,440
why didn't you

1314
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,680
talk to your physics brethren you go

1315
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,800
both got degrees

1316
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,000
you could have taught him a few things

1317
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:10,000
you got a masters he never answered the

1318
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,559
question

1319
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,160
he avoided it yeah i haven't heard that

1320
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,000
he's done that but i couldn't he did

1321
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,280
i i i did that no

1322
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,920
it's in his it's in his interviews where

1323
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,880
he says

1324
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,400
on tape they asked him about his

1325
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:24,240
background he said he went to george

1326
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,880
washington

1327
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,640
university i'm the only one who checked

1328
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,319
that he didn't

1329
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,640
okay in his military file it says why

1330
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,920
his career ended

1331
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,240
it was a hardship because he needed to

1332
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,920
take care of his mother

1333
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,640
so they let him out early his career was

1334
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,520
inglorious

1335
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,920
he was even written up a few days after

1336
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,040
roswell

1337
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,280
in there i publish it in the book it

1338
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,680
says this officer has a tendency to

1339
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,480
magnify

1340
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,960
problems he is confronted with and

1341
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:53,280
general raymie notes himself because he

1342
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,480
felt sorry for him

1343
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,880
widow confirmed this she's mad at

1344
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,760
friedman

1345
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,400
until she died that he just wouldn't

1346
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,040
listen

1347
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,040
professor charles moore told me i quote

1348
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,720
him in the book that he met with

1349
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,520
friedman

1350
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,599
met with berliner in the hotel room in

1351
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,280
socorro to show them

1352
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:12,079
and tell them the truth then they walked

1353
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:13,440
out of the hotel room and said you're

1354
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,800
part of the cover-up

1355
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,160
it's like what can i have with these

1356
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,079
people well can i ask you what's

1357
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,800
was was there anything radioactive in

1358
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,520
the mogul balloon because

1359
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,520
chester martin reported that he received

1360
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,520
messages pilots who did the first army

1361
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,440
recon flyer of the debris field reported

1362
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,440
large burned areas and then he also

1363
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,280
heard reports of radiation at the site

1364
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,960
based medical staff doing regular

1365
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,680
checkups

1366
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:38,240
with alpha probes and geiger counters

1367
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,720
well

1368
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,880
if i heard reports it doesn't mean it

1369
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:42,160
happened again

1370
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,079
reports are one thing evidence is

1371
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,319
another and people need to remember this

1372
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,400
if you break this firsthand witness to

1373
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,000
these events no who says they're

1374
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,839
first-hand witnesses who said it

1375
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,240
has chester witnessed this stuff right

1376
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:56,079
that he heard reports of radiation at

1377
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,960
the site

1378
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,720
and based medical staff doing regular

1379
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:00,319
checkups with alpha probes and geiger

1380
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:01,520
counters

1381
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,200
uh again no again

1382
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:07,040
so we get it this is stuff that he heard

1383
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,640
and he's repeating that

1384
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,160
it could not have happened and here's

1385
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,000
why marcel is

1386
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:15,040
out there with cavett at the foster

1387
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:15,680
ranch

1388
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:18,960
all the debris is taken on the truck

1389
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,359
that's

1390
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,880
it okay they helped the the daughter

1391
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,000
helped collect it too

1392
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,440
they all did they're all there then it's

1393
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,400
late in the day he heads home and he

1394
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,319
shows his family the debris takes some

1395
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,119
of it in his son jesse marcel jr sees it

1396
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,800
and his descriptions change of the

1397
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,200
debris over time to protect his father

1398
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,599
his father even says his son got it

1399
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,559
wrong

1400
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,160
the i-beams they never were there he

1401
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:45,760
said they're square sticks

1402
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,440
and i got a letter from jesse marcel jr

1403
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,960
after my book came out

1404
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,240
exposing his own father that says quote

1405
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,800
my f i admit my father did have a

1406
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,599
tendency

1407
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,960
to exaggerate on occasion quote unquote

1408
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,559
then he's asking me

1409
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,559
how we're going to handle the corp

1410
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,160
attacks and all this

1411
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,240
because i worked with bob todd to expose

1412
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,880
him he got his military file

1413
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,359
it shows marcel was not a pilot so he

1414
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:15,760
never flew the debris to raymie's office

1415
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,240
that was not true well that's different

1416
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,280
if i if i say i flew the debris i

1417
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,319
i never said i i flew i flew whatever

1418
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,240
maybe he was the highest ranking officer

1419
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:29,440
and the pilot no

1420
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,319
so you know i don't cares here if he

1421
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,240
said i flew the debris

1422
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,920
what did he really mean i was the pilot

1423
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:37,599
of the flight or did he mean i told you

1424
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:37,920
no

1425
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,480
he he said he was a pilot he said he was

1426
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,680
shot down

1427
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,720
aircraft

1428
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,480
he said he was shot down in the pacific

1429
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,839
and he was the only survivor in the

1430
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,359
crash it never happened

1431
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,920
he said he had shot down enemy aircraft

1432
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,599
he cited examples

1433
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:56,319
he said he had air metals for doing it

1434
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:56,720
he

1435
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,160
been an ace

1436
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,720
there's no such indication in his uh

1437
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,720
report at all in fact remy notes

1438
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,559
that what that he's a fine officer

1439
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:10,960
overall but needs some polish

1440
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,640
and that one day his handicap is that

1441
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,160
he's not a rated pilot

1442
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,760
he needs to do that because he's at the

1443
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:20,000
509th the best pilots in the world are

1444
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,400
there

1445
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,480
he's got some slight competition he's

1446
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,400
also not a spring chicken anymore

1447
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,440
he's all right let me ask you about this

1448
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,040
because this is something that i think

1449
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,960
was tacked on later

1450
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:33,040
but i still i've always found it

1451
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,400
interesting and that is

1452
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,720
that the original story is there's a

1453
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,599
crash

1454
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,839
and then later when friedman and bill

1455
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:40,640
moore

1456
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,520
and randall and carrie and schmidt start

1457
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,440
writing books about roswell

1458
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:48,400
they all talk about a second crash site

1459
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,040
with

1460
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,880
an intact saucer and that's where the

1461
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,559
bodies were

1462
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:55,200
what do you think of the addition of the

1463
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,400
second crash site

1464
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:59,359
with the bodies and a more intact craft

1465
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,359
is that all

1466
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,599
fabrications to sell books or is there

1467
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,680
any meat on those bones

1468
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,440
well no there's no meat on those bones

1469
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,359
there's nothing in fact again

1470
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,280
randall has admitted years ago he'd be

1471
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,040
in the roswell nuts again

1472
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,760
cow court i have always loved this part

1473
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,040
of this story

1474
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:19,440
okay i'll tell you how it happened it

1475
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,640
happened because

1476
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:23,599
and friedman did this again friedman had

1477
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,079
to

1478
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,160
i was shocked as anybody especially

1479
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,680
knowing him

1480
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,359
and then not being shocked at the same

1481
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,960
time because i knew him

1482
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:33,680
uh when i read crash at corona and he's

1483
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:34,079
saying

1484
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,119
two saucers two well

1485
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,079
that's the only way to to explain as

1486
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:42,000
everyone being credible or at least the

1487
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,720
people

1488
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,440
he wants to tell you or sell you into

1489
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,040
believing is credible

1490
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,680
as far as the money angle goes as the

1491
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:51,920
upcoming hill expose proves it's

1492
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,800
again part of the ufology fooligy series

1493
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,119
uh

1494
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,240
it's coming out before roswell um

1495
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:01,040
it proves that friedman was driven in no

1496
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,480
small part by money

1497
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,200
in fact bill moore said he called him a

1498
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,880
money grubber quote unquote

1499
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,280
and it was over money that ended their

1500
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:11,119
friendship formally because friedman

1501
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,079
withheld

1502
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,400
from bill moore the knowledge he already

1503
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,599
had a book deal

1504
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,079
behind his back that was later crash at

1505
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,520
corona

1506
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:20,880
they were supposed to work on that book

1507
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:23,520
together so friedman to make his

1508
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,640
pet witnesses credible while working to

1509
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,359
destroy

1510
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,880
anything randall came up with and

1511
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,640
randall has talked about this

1512
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,559
friedman would contact publishers and i

1513
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:33,839
know this because friedman

1514
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:37,040
kept me abrupt all his plans to nell

1515
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,520
randall

1516
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,359
in fact i have found those letters now

1517
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,119
i'm going to publish them

1518
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,760
they're nasty but hey this is this is

1519
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,440
you politics

1520
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,880
this is a term caveat made up bob caveat

1521
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,040
a friend of mine famed alien autopsy

1522
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,400
producer you know of him

1523
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,920
he's right eupholitics it's very part of

1524
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,640
ufology and euphuligy so basically you

1525
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,400
had people who were very egotistical

1526
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,760
including randall if you look at the

1527
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:02,880
bravado

1528
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,160
and [\h__\h] in his books you know

1529
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,799
what where's the logic in making frank

1530
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,400
kaufman three different people

1531
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:13,040
in his roswell book and and that's an

1532
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:14,000
accident it's an

1533
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:18,240
editorial mistake no again it's calculus

1534
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,000
so when you and i disagree

1535
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,920
part of the reason you and i disagree

1536
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:25,040
and i said this at the beginning of the

1537
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:26,559
broadcast is that you just seem to be

1538
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,520
very dismissive

1539
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,359
of all these even people that are

1540
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,040
reported to be first-hand witnesses and

1541
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,559
here we have another one

1542
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,640
fireman dan dwyer heard rumors of a

1543
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,799
crashed alien spacecraft in the desert

1544
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,559
and snuck out to the crash site that

1545
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,240
evening he reported seeing military

1546
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,400
roadblocks and a saucer

1547
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:45,599
no he didn't in fact i exposed that in

1548
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,200
my book um it's

1549
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,880
not true admittedly it's been a while

1550
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,040
it's been it's been okay

1551
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,880
everything you have said has been

1552
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:57,200
exposed because again if it didn't

1553
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,920
happen

1554
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,960
someone claims

1555
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,440
the claim dan dwyer like sergeant melvin

1556
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,480
brown isn't

1557
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,520
true his daughter frankie rowe

1558
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,280
who admitted she always wanted to be an

1559
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,040
actress boy was she dumb when she

1560
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,240
answered that question truthfully

1561
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,319
she made that story up and just like

1562
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,799
melvin brown's daughter made it up about

1563
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,839
her father

1564
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,680
nobody else in that family says it's

1565
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:23,359
true they said she made it up

1566
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:26,960
he wasn't there he was a cook in roswell

1567
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,760
they don't send cooks out to collect

1568
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,559
debris

1569
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,880
not only that but the roswell fire

1570
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:35,040
department wasn't called to do anything

1571
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,599
it's not

1572
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,920
true no one else remembers anything

1573
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,839
couldn't he as a roswell president have

1574
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,240
just heard about this event and drove me

1575
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,599
because frankie rose said her daughter

1576
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:48,319
uh frankie rowe his daughter said that

1577
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,799
um

1578
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,480
she heard it and that they came out and

1579
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,160
threatened remember

1580
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:54,079
they had that piece of liquid metal

1581
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:55,359
whatever complete

1582
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:58,319
[\h__\h] and that you can quote me no

1583
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,960
one

1584
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,440
except kevin randle knows they've always

1585
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,680
hyped in israel then later they retract

1586
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:06,319
see that's the formula here with randall

1587
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,119
it's always

1588
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,440
well i i don't know i'm not sure well if

1589
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,200
you're saying there's no aliens

1590
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,359
i think that's kind of sure well i'm not

1591
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,640
certain no

1592
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,880
you do know you're just milking this cow

1593
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,799
until it won't come home anymore

1594
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,680
i don't buy the baby blue eyes act

1595
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,760
because i have caught kevin randle

1596
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,680
here's let me tell you something and you

1597
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:27,359
can call art levine if you don't believe

1598
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,160
me he's a top

1599
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,160
investigative journalist in washington

1600
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,559
d.c if randall is half a brain he will

1601
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:33,760
not deny this

1602
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:36,799
true story in 1997 when my book was

1603
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,440
coming out

1604
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,280
proving it was project mobile exposing

1605
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,280
the top two 22

1606
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,280
best-selling roswell books which

1607
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:45,280
constitute almost all the public

1608
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,160
knowledge

1609
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,760
and i wrote the book because no one else

1610
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:49,359
was telling the truth all the publishers

1611
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,400
were milking it

1612
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,440
that's why i agreed to do this book

1613
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,520
kevin randle is telling art levine that

1614
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,040
if he had to rely on the roswell

1615
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,880
evidence he'd throw up he'd puke it's

1616
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,480
not convincing it's not

1617
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,640
compelling art calls me and says what

1618
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,760
the hell is this

1619
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,520
why is this guy writing these books

1620
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,200
saying the opposite when he's telling me

1621
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,359
the opposite what's going on

1622
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,400
yeah well randall like i say that's why

1623
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,839
i call him the shapeshifter

1624
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,960
he has a fake phd stephen i

1625
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:19,760
expose that with stanton free he calls

1626
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:20,319
himself

1627
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,599
dr kevin randall really

1628
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,319
really dr marcel vogel phd from

1629
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,920
university of metaphysics

1630
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,160
oh he's credible yeah so he's got one of

1631
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,280
those 200

1632
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,920
buy it uh you know buy it online phds

1633
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,200
that you hang on your

1634
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,160
you stupid it's shameless and although

1635
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,079
the institute today is credible

1636
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,920
it was under probation investigation

1637
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:44,000
they were going to decertify them if

1638
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,440
they didn't get their act together if

1639
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:47,280
that wasn't the case at the time randall

1640
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:47,839
did it

1641
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,720
and that was also calculus so get into

1642
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,160
another witness somebody from the live

1643
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:53,440
chat mentioned it's kind of hard to

1644
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,160
believe that there

1645
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,000
everyone's a liar that's four people in

1646
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,319
a row four witnesses in a row and

1647
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,160
we get to i think this is going to be

1648
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,839
one of your favorite scale

1649
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,480
mortician glenn davis yeah okay and here

1650
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:06,000
we have some information the army came

1651
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,520
to the local general store

1652
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,599
and train station and bought out all of

1653
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,440
the available ice and dry ice leaving

1654
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,200
not at the stores in town

1655
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,359
local mortician was contacted and asked

1656
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,440
about child-sized coffins a lot of

1657
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:18,960
people in our live chat may be familiar

1658
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,079
that the mortician

1659
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,920
glenn davis famously came out with an

1660
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,280
incredible story

1661
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,200
that the military was calling him trying

1662
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,799
to figure out if they could get

1663
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:28,319
child-sized coffins

1664
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,559
and how they could preserve a body

1665
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:35,359
for later study without damaging the

1666
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,920
tissue

1667
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:38,319
and this and that and then also he spoke

1668
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,040
with

1669
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:41,440
a nurse that was apparently a friend of

1670
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,160
his that was

1671
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,200
in on the autopsy i

1672
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,200
uh tried to locate that nurse and so

1673
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,440
have other researchers and no one's been

1674
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,599
ever able to locate that nurse her real

1675
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:52,640
name her

1676
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,640
uh her bona fides you know to verify

1677
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,760
that she existed

1678
01:00:01,190 --> 01:00:00,160
even and worked at the roswell hospital

1679
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:01,200
where he claimed this

1680
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,240
autopsy took place so is he also

1681
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,240
just not credible along with the rest of

1682
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,520
these people that you're saying are not

1683
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,880
credible witnesses

1684
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,960
oh glenn dennis was always one of the

1685
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,400
obvious frauds he's

1686
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,400
in my book tied up there with frank

1687
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,319
kaufman frank coffin being the

1688
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,319
mother of all frauds and roswell if

1689
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:20,079
we're not talking about the authors like

1690
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,359
don schmidt and don

1691
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:24,400
kerry uh carrie and schmidt and and

1692
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:25,280
randall

1693
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,559
um the uh i'll prove it real quickly

1694
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,079
even randall doesn't believe glenn

1695
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,079
dennis anymore although he used to

1696
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,920
first of all we know the identity of the

1697
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,839
nurse the air force actually found her

1698
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:36,880
her

1699
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,160
it was irene fenton glenn right and um

1700
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,559
about her name because he was lying

1701
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,880
glenn dennis's files have been found he

1702
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,240
was lying and i

1703
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,280
expose what he said again in this book

1704
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:53,760
and glenn dennis was friends with walter

1705
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,040
hott and walter hot

1706
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,000
was on the roswell uh chamber of

1707
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,680
commerce of course

1708
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:02,079
and so as the mayor told me we get 22

1709
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,200
percent of our revenue

1710
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:05,280
and a good year from roswell so we love

1711
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,990
wow yeah glenn dennis these people

1712
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,760
started appearing around the time

1713
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,839
of the unsolved mysteries broadcast on

1714
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,040
roswell sure there

1715
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:20,160
there's an exact mentioned timeline oh

1716
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:20,480
this

1717
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,400
entire debris field for 15 weeks

1718
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:27,119
straight i

1719
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,720
just no 15 weeks just clean up no it

1720
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,400
wouldn't

1721
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,240
no and again the people who were there

1722
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:35,680
who did collect the debris

1723
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:38,079
everyone agrees marcel collected it okay

1724
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,680
he brought it home

1725
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,520
he said it was just us and that's why it

1726
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,799
took us all day it was just

1727
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:45,280
just us there was no need to call in a

1728
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,240
crew

1729
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:49,200
so it's complete [\h__\h] and again if

1730
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:49,599
it

1731
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:54,559
fraud is fraud no is no zero means zero

1732
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,680
so foundationals are the key and

1733
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,760
like friedman said and you may remember

1734
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:01,599
this saying he said that new ideas come

1735
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,480
into being

1736
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:04,400
not because people accept them but

1737
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,599
because

1738
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,920
their opponents die and a new generation

1739
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:09,359
is born accustomed to them

1740
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,359
and that's what we have now we have all

1741
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,720
the originals are dead

1742
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,559
the original witnesses so they can't

1743
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,920
straighten out anything they were

1744
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,119
exploited they

1745
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,440
also played fast and loose with the

1746
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,960
facts like walter hot

1747
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,039
he did it too to leave his uh

1748
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:25,039
descendants something now you've got uh

1749
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,920
marcel's son

1750
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,240
in there with a secret diary with da

1751
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,440
vinci type codes

1752
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:32,160
it's complete [\h__\h] uh but hey

1753
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,599
history will pay you money for your

1754
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:35,359
story

1755
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,319
yeah let's get back to the debris let's

1756
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:40,000
get back to the debris switch i have

1757
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,480
here

1758
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,000
pictures of the debris that were

1759
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,000
publicized but i actually have

1760
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:46,000
let me show this uh from my twitter i

1761
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:47,039
have

1762
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:48,160
you know i know what you said about

1763
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,079
colorized photos

1764
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,880
and i i think they're neat i like them

1765
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,119
yeah somebody just did them so that our

1766
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,920
help with the broadcast and and also

1767
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,240
everybody's seen the original photos but

1768
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,280
uh seeing the original photos with

1769
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:05,680
with them being colorized is kind of a

1770
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,319
new thing

1771
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,319
for me i don't know being a fan of the

1772
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:10,799
story i kind of just like seeing the

1773
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,480
the colorized photos and this is yeah

1774
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,480
spooky let me tell you about the

1775
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,000
colorized photos real quickly

1776
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,280
because um there's no

1777
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,960
the color of the foil and all that

1778
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:24,720
that's just speculation the uniform

1779
01:03:28,870 --> 01:03:28,319
sure yeah and but stop stop on this

1780
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,880
photo

1781
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:31,200
um here's a key thing you can see the

1782
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:33,039
pouch back there some of it and they

1783
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,599
mentioned

1784
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,680
putting it in a pouch well you couldn't

1785
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:37,280
put it in a pouch if you couldn't bend

1786
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:37,680
it

1787
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,000
balloon debris and that's exactly what

1788
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:46,559
that black stuff is at his feet there

1789
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:49,119
it has been out intentionally but your

1790
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:50,480
your assertion is that

1791
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,160
that stan freeman just made up the

1792
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:53,920
debris switch but in fact

1793
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:56,079
jesse marcel and one other witness that

1794
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,920
was in the room when they did this press

1795
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,880
conference

1796
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,720
both said that there was a switch that

1797
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,480
wasn't the original debris

1798
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,079
no they did not say that and i'll tell

1799
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,160
you why that again that's proven

1800
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:09,599
in the book here it's all there um

1801
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,119
what happened was um

1802
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,400
colonel cavett who was uh general

1803
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,480
raymies ajiton

1804
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:20,640
he was asked in three separate

1805
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,839
interviews actually

1806
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:24,079
seven seven uh whether there was a

1807
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,920
debris switch and he said oh bull

1808
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,680
there was never a debris switch he says

1809
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:28,960
he took the pouch

1810
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,359
sealed off the plane went straight to

1811
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:32,880
raymie's office

1812
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,079
opened it up and spread out the

1813
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,400
paper and on the floor and he said it

1814
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,000
was a heap of cold potatoes

1815
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,280
quote unquote so what happened is

1816
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,359
friedman contacted marcel

1817
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:47,920
and said jesse we have a problem bill

1818
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:50,240
moore had told jesse marcel you've got a

1819
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,680
problem in that

1820
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:54,559
um this doesn't show an alien spaceship

1821
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:55,599
okay

1822
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:58,000
and so what happened is after friedman

1823
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,200
talked to marcel

1824
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,200
that's when marcel starts changing his

1825
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,880
story and it does

1826
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:05,039
start to change the fish gets bigger

1827
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:05,920
suddenly he

1828
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:09,039
is a pilot he has shot down people he's

1829
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:09,359
got

1830
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:13,119
and then

1831
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,559
what happens is uh marcel doesn't know

1832
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,400
the purpose of this device

1833
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,319
he knows it's more than just a weather

1834
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,599
balloon so

1835
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:24,400
he when he said they didn't tell me what

1836
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:25,280
it really

1837
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,200
was he was right okay they didn't

1838
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,839
so the fact is there was not a debris

1839
01:05:35,829 --> 01:05:32,720
switch

1840
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,839
the photographers in that room and

1841
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,839
including newton who was there said

1842
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,520
there was no debris switch and what

1843
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,799
happened stephen

1844
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:42,960
this is all a matter of public record

1845
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:45,520
newton professor charles moore

1846
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,839
were all they were both put together

1847
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,039
moore showed him

1848
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:51,839
the uh mogul stuff he still has all

1849
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,559
these years

1850
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,559
from his career he's got all kinds of

1851
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:56,720
stuff from his long career

1852
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,200
and he said yeah this is exactly what i

1853
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:01,280
saw in that office that day what i held

1854
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,240
up etc

1855
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:04,160
they even took some of this old stuff

1856
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,520
burn it in the desert

1857
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:08,160
got the same smell got the same texture

1858
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,039
so

1859
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,520
to think that there was a cover-up the

1860
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:13,839
debris would have to be switched

1861
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:15,839
between the distance of the airplane

1862
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,839
door being opened in raymie's office

1863
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,160
under guard and then of course marcel

1864
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,599
wouldn't know about it

1865
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,960
and then they just left it in the

1866
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,640
airplane and then add

1867
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:27,039
the balloon debris standing by because

1868
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,240
according to this too

1869
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:30,400
it wasn't just marcel who said there was

1870
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,599
a debris switch

1871
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,440
this dubose said there was a debris

1872
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,920
switch no dubose did not say there was a

1873
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:36,720
debris switch

1874
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,280
i publish his interviews denying it

1875
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,520
specifically

1876
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,280
because i can find the sword i'm sure i

1877
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:44,880
have a source that's that dubose

1878
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,710
no there's false claims about it there

1879
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,200
has for years that's why i disproved it

1880
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:57,440
even using one of kevin randle's own

1881
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,559
interviews

1882
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,559
and jamie shandera bill moore

1883
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,750
he said no i i can read the quote if you

1884
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,319
want me to it's no no no it's okay

1885
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,079
i think that's part of the problem is

1886
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,760
that the same

1887
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,920
person is attributed to two different

1888
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,000
sides to the story on your side

1889
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,000
he didn't say that and on the on the

1890
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:20,079
supporters of the alien hypothesis side

1891
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,200
he did say that

1892
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,720
okay but it's like we have to really

1893
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,480
look at both side by side

1894
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,559
and if we don't both have them handy

1895
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,000
here we'll just

1896
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,440
okay okay this point it's like the

1897
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:33,599
kennedy assassination the same pattern

1898
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,920
and

1899
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:36,240
you know i've studied the other even

1900
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,559
both took 16 years to solve roswell and

1901
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:39,920
jfk

1902
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,160
found this out when i put this all into

1903
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:45,920
databases and you know i've got these

1904
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,880
things

1905
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,200
uh with circular references steven there

1906
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,960
are plenty of books out there that say

1907
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,240
dubose said there was

1908
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:55,119
a debris switch but i know for a fact

1909
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:56,000
because

1910
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,079
i have the interviews the transcripts i

1911
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:00,160
was involved in those interviews with

1912
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,680
dubose uh bill moore jamie shandera

1913
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,359
know about randalls and heinrich how

1914
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:07,200
they published that even kevin randle

1915
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,400
published an interview

1916
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:11,039
in kufos years ago when heineck was

1917
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,079
still alive

1918
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,079
saying that there was no debris switch

1919
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,319
he said it was cold potatoes oh bold

1920
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,000
there was no debris switch

1921
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:20,239
and he also resented the fact that he

1922
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,679
would have been the officer

1923
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:24,239
to handle that debris switch if it had

1924
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:25,199
been done

1925
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,880
so he said it looked just like the

1926
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:28,719
material that was brought in

1927
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,920
and this stuff has been distorted

1928
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,679
and that's why when you really go back

1929
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,600
to the original stuff

1930
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,480
and stick to what anybody can verify you

1931
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:40,319
will find out that there is nothing

1932
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:42,080
there and that's why bill moore of all

1933
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:42,880
people

1934
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:45,759
abandoned roswell declared it was mogul

1935
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:46,400
endorsed

1936
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,600
this book in our meeting and publicly

1937
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,839
and it was stanton friedman who was the

1938
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:53,839
only major researcher

1939
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:56,159
left to hold that torch from the

1940
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,040
original

1941
01:09:01,430 --> 01:09:00,000
four of us we met with him in berkeley

1942
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,440
recorded him

1943
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,400
and warned him he was being played won

1944
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:06,480
everything from nj12

1945
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,199
he wouldn't listen and kevin randall don

1946
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:11,040
schmidt they're just johnny come lately

1947
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,520
who

1948
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,600
jumped on the bandwagon after roswell

1949
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,960
was already famous

1950
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,040
i really have no respect for their work

1951
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:19,520
overall because if you look at the crap

1952
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,319
that they said

1953
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:23,199
in their best-selling books which caused

1954
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,600
these

1955
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:25,920
myths versus what they're denying and

1956
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:26,960
disclaiming and

1957
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:29,199
saying oh i don't believe that anymore

1958
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,880
well why don't you give everybody your

1959
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:33,120
their money back because you knew what

1960
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:34,880
you were doing

1961
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:37,040
i'm sorry there's calculus there it's

1962
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,400
not either that or you're one of the

1963
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,679
most incompetent

1964
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,520
researchers out there what the hell are

1965
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,040
you doing as director of

1966
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:45,199
research at kufos when you have a fake

1967
01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:46,640
degree that's don

1968
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:48,560
schmidt fake medical degree remember

1969
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:50,480
that cause randall to dump him

1970
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:55,199
and yet randall has a fake phd go figure

1971
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:59,360
and i'm and i'm the problem excuse me

1972
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:02,560
yeah yeah so that's a blunt truth and

1973
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,640
you know i'll tell you when i wrote the

1974
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,320
my book the roswell ufo crash where they

1975
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:07,760
don't want you to know i had six weeks

1976
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:08,480
to do it

1977
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:11,120
and i made one key decision i thought

1978
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,000
i'm gonna use

1979
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,920
available information that anybody can

1980
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:15,840
check if they're smart enough to hunt

1981
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:16,960
down a footnote

1982
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,159
so i did it that okay

1983
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,719
and we were gonna have to admit though

1984
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,520
in fairness

1985
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:26,239
it's really hard there's more data on

1986
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,760
and books to read and things

1987
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:30,800
on roswell than than

1988
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,199
any other case so it's kind of hard you

1989
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,040
know for people to trudge through it all

1990
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,120
and maybe some of us fall victim to like

1991
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:40,159
i read dutchman and carrie's books and

1992
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,199
and was very like pro alien

1993
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:45,600
hypothesis first and then i read your

1994
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,360
book and i was less so

1995
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:50,320
having had literally had my bubble my my

1996
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,440
balloon bursted

1997
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,760
right a little bit there's just so much

1998
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,640
to get through

1999
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:57,120
and there's conflicting reports like to

2000
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,120
vote like he said there was a switch and

2001
01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:00,960
then you have a source no he didn't say

2002
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:01,280
that

2003
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,480
it's it's it's more the opposite he

2004
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:08,320
never said it there are people who claim

2005
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,120
he did

2006
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,480
it i'll give you one valid analogy here

2007
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,239
jack ruby maybe you heard this

2008
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:16,480
do you remember if you you can look it

2009
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,679
up ruby saying

2010
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:19,280
please take me to washington let me

2011
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,719
testify so i can

2012
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,400
tell them the truth about what really

2013
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:23,920
happened whoa

2014
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,080
[\h__\h] and they didn't let him testify

2015
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,159
damn it they really must want to silence

2016
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:29,920
him and then he dies in prison

2017
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,120
of a cancer injection quote unquote no

2018
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,199
if you look at his real conspiracy

2019
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,560
theory right

2020
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:38,480
but look at that quote take me so i can

2021
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,920
tell the truth let me let me go to

2022
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,320
washington please mr warren

2023
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,400
chief justice earl warren no what he

2024
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:45,760
really said

2025
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:48,159
was that so he could tell the truth that

2026
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:49,280
there was no

2027
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,719
conspiracy i found the original

2028
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,760
unedited transcript same problem with

2029
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:56,880
the dubose stuff

2030
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,440
when people aren't lying they are

2031
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,199
selectively editing

2032
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,440
and that's wrong just like in friedman's

2033
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,239
book you can look it up on crasha corona

2034
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:09,120
where the part about melvin brown where

2035
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:10,159
he talks about

2036
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:13,520
their being black sergeants it's in

2037
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:16,640
parentheses he didn't say that

2038
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,760
he added it it's an editorial trick

2039
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,440
and let's talk about black sergeants

2040
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:24,159
real quickly i admit there's two typos

2041
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,880
in my

2042
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,800
roswell book and i've explained them

2043
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,320
publicly they're no big deal

2044
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:29,840
but you know please don't tell kevin

2045
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:31,840
randle this because he still attacks me

2046
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:32,719
over it

2047
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:35,920
i said that i i've never you know what

2048
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,239
he

2049
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:37,840
i've taught i've talked and i

2050
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,440
interviewed don schmidt once

2051
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:42,000
but jon schmidt is kind of uh sort of

2052
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,800
aloof

2053
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,800
creative kind of guy like a lot of

2054
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,400
people that i know like he's very

2055
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,960
into whatever he's working on so i if i

2056
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,480
message him he might not get back to me

2057
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,920
for five months

2058
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:53,920
i asked him to come and debate you once

2059
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:56,080
on roswell and i never heard back from

2060
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:56,400
him

2061
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,920
i just want to put that out there so

2062
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:59,679
that people know we're fair here if any

2063
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,880
of these authors want to come on and

2064
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,199
talk to cal we'll set up another show

2065
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,880
you know they're everybody's welcome

2066
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,719
here that's the point i'm trying to make

2067
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,040
and i may or may not agree with any of

2068
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:11,199
the assertions that mr korff is making

2069
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,640
regarding

2070
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,640
but i kind of do agree with a lot you

2071
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,640
know like but they're welcome they're

2072
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,080
all welcome to come here

2073
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,760
and i wondered if we can get into

2074
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,360
another big

2075
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:22,800
thing that i thought you would have a

2076
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,360
field day with which is the apparent

2077
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:27,199
for a while this was getting toted as

2078
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,440
this is the smoking gun of roswell

2079
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,920
and that is for those who don't know in

2080
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:33,600
the famous debris photos

2081
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,719
rainey general raymie is holding a note

2082
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,840
and years and years later somebody got a

2083
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,520
hold of the photos

2084
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,719
and through digital technology

2085
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,719
wanted to see if we could read what is

2086
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:48,560
on the note that he is

2087
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:52,080
holding and apparently it's it's things

2088
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,880
that mention

2089
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:55,199
bodies in a crash disk and things like

2090
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:56,239
that

2091
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,600
enhancements

2092
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,320
and you can't read the entire memo but

2093
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,560
you can read a great portion of it

2094
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,000
what do you think of this so-called

2095
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:07,679
smoking gun

2096
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,719
it is

2097
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,960
a joke it's a rorschach and i'll prove

2098
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,800
it quickly and it's also

2099
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,040
blown out of the water in the new book

2100
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:18,800
first of all

2101
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:21,920
i'm minding my own business in europe

2102
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:24,960
when i read this nonsense that david

2103
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:27,520
rudiak has found a smoking gun the rainy

2104
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,320
memo

2105
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:31,040
i'm like well um that's that's news to

2106
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,320
reality

2107
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,800
um sorry folks but you think it's

2108
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,320
tantalizing like look at this

2109
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:38,239
picture look at this picture it looks

2110
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:39,600
like you could almost

2111
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,630
we examined this back in the 1980s

2112
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,719
the images that i told you that have

2113
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,560
just been refound in the archive after

2114
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,679
all these years

2115
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:55,760
they were looked at because in the

2116
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:57,280
roswell book

2117
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,560
we noted that you could see the memo it

2118
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,400
was a cropped photo but it was obvious

2119
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,400
so when bill moore gave me

2120
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,640
the best photos straight from the

2121
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,679
negatives

2122
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,400
that major jesse marcel signed on and i

2123
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:12,320
have them again now

2124
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,760
we analyzed all that years ago and it is

2125
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:18,239
not a memo that has anything to do with

2126
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,960
roswell

2127
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:21,120
i'll tell you what we did to analyze it

2128
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:22,000
we took a

2129
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:25,040
simple piece of grid paper and we wrote

2130
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:25,920
on a grid

2131
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,120
one character or letter that was

2132
01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:32,239
easily decipherable on a scale of like

2133
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,520
one to five

2134
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:36,480
we used basic cryptography reverse

2135
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,159
engineering techniques

2136
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:40,480
and we were able to show that basically

2137
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,000
it's a communique

2138
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,080
that seems to be some sort of wire

2139
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,800
report it has nothing to do with roswell

2140
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,760
and ge its alien victims hide the disc

2141
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,040
and all that stuff

2142
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,400
it seems to be a wire story report

2143
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:57,199
and general raymie's wife had words to

2144
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:57,679
say

2145
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,360
about not only uh this

2146
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,199
idea that her husband was involved in

2147
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,600
this cover-up but she said once again

2148
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:07,600
that stanton friedman wouldn't listen

2149
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,159
now here's a lark for you kevin randall

2150
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:11,920
at least according to the internet

2151
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:14,960
is head of the you know roswell raymie

2152
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,159
photo you know let's figure out what

2153
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:19,760
it really says project that the

2154
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,560
university has going which is great pr

2155
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:24,880
they've got a ten thousand dollar reward

2156
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:26,800
well here's some news for you

2157
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:30,080
the cia npic photo interpretation center

2158
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,280
looked at these photos

2159
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,760
years ago it's mentioned in the friggin

2160
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,000
air force roswell report if anybody

2161
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:38,400
bothered to read it has anybody bothered

2162
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:39,520
to foia it

2163
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,480
to find out what they found no well

2164
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:43,840
here's what they found

2165
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,719
it's not readable if the cia can't read

2166
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:48,080
it i guarantee you

2167
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:50,960
dave rudiak who wears glasses can't read

2168
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:51,360
it

2169
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,280
press report a wire report

2170
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,800
play the devil's advocate though when

2171
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,640
you did your original analysis that was

2172
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,880
like what 1980 and you're doing it by

2173
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,229
we use digital technology has come a

2174
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,000
long way since now

2175
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,040
steven no we did it optically the

2176
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,040
problem with digital scanning

2177
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:15,760
is garbage in garbage out friedman would

2178
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,080
not

2179
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,880
use a high resolution scanner he used a

2180
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,560
stupid drum scanner

2181
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,960
that was just good enough to produce

2182
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:24,640
whatever you think it says

2183
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,960
i'm not making this up i was on his ass

2184
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,080
for a long time

2185
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:29,760
to have it scanned at a much higher

2186
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:32,320
resolution he kept telling me

2187
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,920
he wasn't going to pay for it well i

2188
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:35,440
said i'm halfway around the world

2189
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,640
i ain't paying for it besides all three

2190
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:39,760
of us

2191
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:42,080
wait he wanted you to pay for it yeah he

2192
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,120
did because he

2193
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:45,600
he didn't want it solved see if roswell

2194
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,560
in the hill case

2195
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:49,760
gets solved as being non-ufos not only

2196
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,199
was his career over

2197
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:54,239
his income ability was toast at that

2198
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:55,199
point

2199
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:58,880
look uh he had to sell zeta reticuli

2200
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,040
incident reprints for many years before

2201
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,040
he even got back the ten thousand

2202
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:04,880
i think it was ten thousand he paid for

2203
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,640
those all those copies he bought

2204
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,080
maybe was ten thousand he paid five

2205
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:09,760
thousand i don't remember the numbers

2206
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,400
anymore

2207
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:12,000
but the point is he had a vested

2208
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:13,440
financial interest

2209
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:16,159
in ufos do you think it really cost ten

2210
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,679
thousand bucks to analyze

2211
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,520
the mj 12 documents when all you have

2212
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,679
are pictures of them

2213
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,239
also again though just to play the

2214
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:25,520
devil's advocate so you're saying that

2215
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,800
the cia

2216
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,320
tried to look at it and found it

2217
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:30,080
unreadable but the

2218
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,760
report that you're mentioning that the

2219
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,440
cia put that information in

2220
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:36,400
that was released in 1997 so we've got

2221
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:37,199
yeah

2222
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:40,480
years of better technology and imaging

2223
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,960
and

2224
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,880
you know no but but you have to

2225
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:44,159
understand that they looked at the

2226
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,280
original negatives

2227
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,400
see the thing is um the cia has the best

2228
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:50,719
image equipment in the world so does the

2229
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:53,840
you know well nro they are they right

2230
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:56,960
i believe that this this story about uh

2231
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,360
it's

2232
01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:59,840
talking talking about bodies and aliens

2233
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:00,520
was

2234
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:03,920
2006 or eight even maybe which is years

2235
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:04,480
after

2236
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,400
the original you're saying the cia

2237
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,560
looked at it and said it was electable

2238
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,480
i'm just leaving open the possibility

2239
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,480
that they're right in what the memo

2240
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:15,199
says they looked at two things and b no

2241
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:16,320
because first of all

2242
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:19,360
it's not a memo it is not a memo it is a

2243
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:19,840
press

2244
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:23,040
report okay of course there was a report

2245
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,480
of a disk

2246
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,480
it was called a flying disk was it a

2247
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,320
disk no did disk mean

2248
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,320
disk literally an alien spaceship back

2249
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,080
then no

2250
01:19:35,189 --> 01:19:34,640
now the other thing is the cia was more

2251
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,199
interested

2252
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,000
in this area which is ignored that is

2253
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,600
any symbols that might have been on the

2254
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:40,719
balsa wood

2255
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:43,280
there weren't any visible that they

2256
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,000
could find

2257
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,480
in the photos and they said specifically

2258
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:48,239
it's because the image was

2259
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,040
too saturated and they were faded

2260
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:52,560
because they do fade

2261
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,920
uh in the sun in fact both marcels

2262
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,760
admitted that it was only when they held

2263
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,440
them up very closely

2264
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,920
that they could see very faded remarks

2265
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:03,280
uh marks

2266
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:06,800
and we must remember that jeffrey

2267
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:09,520
who was part of the roswell initiative

2268
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,800
played a key role in getting the

2269
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,040
reinvestigation of roswell done

2270
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:15,280
during the clinton administration he

2271
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:16,239
interviewed

2272
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,159
everybody a lot more people than stanton

2273
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:20,000
freeman ever did and to a person they

2274
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:21,920
said the incident never happened

2275
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,639
there were not uh hangars shut down

2276
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,320
search lights you know

2277
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:29,040
shining on the coffins guards everywhere

2278
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,320
flights going you know

2279
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,800
24 7 for three days a week all the crap

2280
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,639
that randall and schmidt hyped

2281
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,960
that kaufman said they should never have

2282
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,960
believed kaufman to begin with

2283
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,760
it's on them and for them to say well i

2284
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,520
was fooled no you weren't fooled

2285
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,199
you had every reason to believe if you

2286
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,360
had an iq of over 10 and you do

2287
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,320
meaning them that he was a fraud if i

2288
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,159
could see it and art levine could bust

2289
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:54,159
him in 30 minutes with a phone call

2290
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,760
to the archives in dc and then

2291
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,520
call me and say how the hell could these

2292
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:00,960
guys be so stupid

2293
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,199
i said i don't know ask them all this

2294
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,800
happened stephen

2295
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:07,120
and basically you've had a whole bunch

2296
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,639
of people in there with their egos and

2297
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:09,920
agendas

2298
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,280
of contaminating the case people

2299
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,159
meaning well uh i've seen it before i've

2300
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,239
seen it with kennedy i've seen it with

2301
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,639
what even carl flock accurately called

2302
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:22,560
the will to believe the will to believe

2303
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,360
as i

2304
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,840
told flock leads to the will to deceive

2305
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,600
if you don't keep it in check

2306
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:29,360
that's just human nature for better for

2307
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:30,719
worse

2308
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:34,480
wow supporters you know i i'll admit

2309
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,120
that this

2310
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,840
this memo may be a case of me wanting to

2311
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:38,800
believe it

2312
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:41,199
i remember when this hit and people were

2313
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,400
talking about it like there's the

2314
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,520
smoking gun

2315
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,600
we don't have the entire memo decoded

2316
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:47,840
but we have enough of it that mentions

2317
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:51,120
crash flying discs victims bodies

2318
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:54,159
recovery you know

2319
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,719
again first of all you have to break

2320
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,159
down what's going to be a case of

2321
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:00,560
manufactured evidence by those who want

2322
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,840
to sell the story

2323
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,760
that i'll admit too you know okay of

2324
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:05,360
course people manufacture evidence

2325
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,159
sometimes

2326
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,960
okay again you have to look at what

2327
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:10,080
happened we know

2328
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,280
that that there was no debris switch

2329
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,120
i was a personal witness to when that

2330
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,800
went down on more than one occasion

2331
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:18,400
because i confronted freeman on it and

2332
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,440
by the way

2333
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,239
i found my original letters saying i'm

2334
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,639
gonna go over there and surprise him

2335
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,600
game over see stephen the reason i

2336
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,520
didn't include a lot of this stuff years

2337
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,520
ago is because prometheus books told me

2338
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:33,199
you got six weeks to get a book or there

2339
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:34,560
isn't going to be one and i was

2340
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,600
horrified

2341
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,920
that there was no book from any major

2342
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,800
publisher

2343
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,040
on the 50th anniversary of roswell that

2344
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:42,320
told the truth

2345
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,080
in fact everyone was ducking for cover

2346
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,840
of course i was going to you know run

2347
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,360
with this because it was obvious it was

2348
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,800
going to be a number one bestseller and

2349
01:22:52,149 --> 01:22:50,239
it was

2350
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:52,159
so mine was the only one who said

2351
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:53,280
[\h__\h]

2352
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:56,800
and i spoke from position of authority

2353
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,239
this book now that i'm doing not only

2354
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,440
doesn't take any prisoners i

2355
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,480
spare nobody and all the dirty laundry

2356
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,320
of friedman saying let's do this let's

2357
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,400
do this let's go after george knapp blah

2358
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:11,199
blah blah

2359
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,480
it's all in there and let's go ahead

2360
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:16,400
the reason it's in there is because i

2361
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:17,600
want to show how

2362
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:20,639
dishonest people like kevin randle and

2363
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,760
others have been

2364
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,280
when they are running around calling

2365
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,120
themselves dr randall

2366
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:27,440
no phony dr randall that's an accurate

2367
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,159
title

2368
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,159
and it's not to pick on kevin randle and

2369
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:32,080
i hope to god he's not stupid enough to

2370
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,000
say oh kell's picking on me again or

2371
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,679
i was minding my own business and he did

2372
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:37,280
this again no

2373
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,760
i'm revisiting these issues and it's not

2374
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:41,440
my fault these guys are caught up in

2375
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,400
this fraud

2376
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,560
because they're part of the problem the

2377
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,480
reason i have a special

2378
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,639
dedicated book coming out called the

2379
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:51,040
roswell ufo crash debris switch

2380
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,719
solved is because it solves it

2381
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,120
and if it never happened it doesn't

2382
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,360
matter what anybody says about roswell

2383
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,960
if that debris is what was really

2384
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,199
recovered but marcel just didn't know

2385
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,880
what its purpose was the military

2386
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:07,199
launches all kinds of secret stuff even

2387
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,480
spy stuff

2388
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,480
well then it doesn't matter if somebody

2389
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,719
says well i held the meta metals

2390
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:15,199
and it you know left this little mark on

2391
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,159
my hand

2392
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,320
because if it was mogul it doesn't

2393
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,480
matter what johnny witness says

2394
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:22,400
you can't get away from this that's how

2395
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,520
science works

2396
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,679
that's how reality works that's how a

2397
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:27,440
court case is one

2398
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:30,480
that's how you prove reality if e e

2399
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,920
did not equal m c squared

2400
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,159
a whole lot of physics would not be

2401
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:37,360
valid but it

2402
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:40,719
is so one plus one equals two e equals m

2403
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:40,960
c

2404
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,199
squared until it doesn't it does

2405
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,719
foundationals so i mean if

2406
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,920
if we're going to believe your side of

2407
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,600
the argument then this has just all been

2408
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,360
blown out of proportion by ufo

2409
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,960
profiteers and then

2410
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:57,280
tapped on stories and i will give you

2411
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,080
that

2412
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,199
tacked roswell in

2413
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,280
with their hoax you know it's like the

2414
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,280
alien autopsy

2415
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,600
interview was another one that was fake

2416
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:09,440
totally we bust that on the midnight

2417
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:10,480
hour and uh

2418
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,440
the roswell slides got you know oh it's

2419
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:15,760
it's the slides of pictures of the alien

2420
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,719
bodies no

2421
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:19,280
right right and look how much you want

2422
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:19,840
your

2423
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,840
to do well

2424
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:26,080
tie it into roswell that'll give you

2425
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:27,120
i've seen that happen

2426
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:30,080
time and time and time again yeah tie it

2427
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:30,639
into

2428
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,760
tic tacs roswell

2429
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:36,000
yeah please don't forget the pleiadians

2430
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:38,080
they're very profitable too

2431
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:40,239
yeah we should uh we should mention our

2432
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,440
book right

2433
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:43,679
we should plug that that we have a book

2434
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:44,639
on amazon

2435
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,159
you and i imagine that yes

2436
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,199
in fact um i'm i want to share with you

2437
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,760
exclusive good news about that project

2438
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:55,040
because you and i haven't spoken in a

2439
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:56,480
while we've both been busy

2440
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,840
plus you and i are both under this

2441
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,760
pandemic thing by the way before we do

2442
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,880
that real quickly

2443
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,960
i thought of you a lot stephen during

2444
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,639
the madness in the election

2445
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,679
i mean my god philadelphia pennsylvania

2446
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,840
how was it real quickly for you bro

2447
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:12,960
well i'm outside of philadelphia but

2448
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:15,520
um and and people went a little crazy

2449
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,560
because i don't cover

2450
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
political things or the news but it was

2451
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,120
my birthday may 31st

2452
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,760
okay they were rioting and looting the

2453
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:25,440
neighborhood i grew up in and just had

2454
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,159
moved from

2455
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,920
like i just moved my family out of there

2456
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,080
a year and a half before this

2457
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:32,560
academic hit and we're in the suburbs

2458
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,000
and very safe

2459
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,400
area outside of philadelphia but it was

2460
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,679
still surreal

2461
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,159
because i it was blocks from my old

2462
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,920
house where all these stores were the

2463
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,679
walmart and the target where everybody

2464
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:45,120
was running out of there with

2465
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:48,080
big screen tvs and there was copter you

2466
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:48,719
know like

2467
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,360
news copters streaming everything that

2468
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:53,360
was happening live so we covered it here

2469
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,560
it was very surreal

2470
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:56,719
it was completely surreal to watch that

2471
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:57,760
yeah

2472
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,800
it must have been also um like um heart

2473
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,719
stirring i remember real quickly

2474
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:04,880
i used to live in an area in the bay

2475
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,880
area that was the murder capital of the

2476
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,719
united states for i think two years in a

2477
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,560
row it even beat chicago

2478
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,400
and on new year's eve they would fire

2479
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:14,159
their automatic guns and we'd have to go

2480
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:14,719
in the

2481
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,080
parking lot to uh try to you know

2482
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:20,080
concrete blocks a bullet better than a

2483
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,440
apartment wall does

2484
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,560
but i filmed the whole thing and uh it

2485
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:26,560
was just heartbreaking to see that the

2486
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:28,320
neighborhood had been taken over like

2487
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,800
that

2488
01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:30,320
and i called the police they wouldn't

2489
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,239
send anybody i said why not

2490
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:34,320
they said we know about it obviously but

2491
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:35,360
they'll shoot a

2492
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:38,080
shooter down okay that's the best

2493
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:40,000
argument for having your own weapons

2494
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,120
that i've ever heard

2495
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,600
you can't depend on them when [\h__\h] hits

2496
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:45,120
the fan you better be able to defend

2497
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,239
your own family

2498
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,840
i'm a big supporter of that oh so yeah

2499
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:49,199
you said you had some news about this

2500
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:50,480
book

2501
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:53,920
yeah um i'm uh updating it of course

2502
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:56,000
um i'll send you the details but i'm

2503
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,360
adding the qr codes

2504
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840
which means that everyone will just have

2505
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,600
to all they have to do is aim their

2506
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:03,040
smartphone

2507
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,800
at whatever page with the qr code and

2508
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,080
it'll automatically

2509
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,920
cause wondrous things to happen

2510
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:09,920
including reveal information

2511
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:12,639
that uh you know supplements the book

2512
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,199
also

2513
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,709
other people who said that they

2514
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:20,560
specifically started distancing

2515
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,159
themselves from wendell

2516
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,159
even before he was convicted because of

2517
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:26,000
what they had seen at hotels

2518
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,920
and they're in the process of uh sending

2519
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:29,360
me some affidavits

2520
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,440
and those will be added to it and of

2521
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:32,880
course i'd like to work with you

2522
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:35,920
and uh melissa to do an update so that

2523
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,639
we can share with everybody because we

2524
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:40,400
i just want to mention to everybody what

2525
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,040
really pisses me off is that there is

2526
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,239
bad reviews of this book on amazon

2527
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:48,719
from uf from billy myers ufo cult

2528
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,080
members where they're

2529
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:52,480
saying that uh wendell stevens was a

2530
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,280
good and

2531
01:28:58,229 --> 01:28:56,159
honest man and how dare you and all this

2532
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:58,239
stuff and like the court documents are

2533
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,360
in the book

2534
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,960
that prove everything that we're saying

2535
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,639
is accurate about him

2536
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,800
but still they want to they wanted to

2537
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:06,639
say that he was such a good person and

2538
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,040
we're

2539
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:09,600
[\h__\h] i just wanted everybody to know

2540
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,320
the truth

2541
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:13,120
and i don't want this guy to be used

2542
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:14,560
especially in death

2543
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,920
as a source of good information it's not

2544
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:20,480
you can't trust a child molester there i

2545
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,280
said it

2546
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,520
so if a child western says there's alien

2547
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,679
spaceships landing here

2548
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:28,000
you can trust me i'm a retired air and

2549
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:29,040
it sounds good

2550
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,840
a retired air force officer but he's

2551
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,840
also a pedophile so

2552
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,520
you know and that's so common in this

2553
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:37,679
field lately like there's so many of

2554
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,480
them

2555
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,320
it is and that's one of the reasons q

2556
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,400
anon is so popular because there is

2557
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:44,320
widespread pedophilia plus

2558
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:46,239
there's conspiracy people who believe

2559
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,760
it's even more widespread

2560
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,520
but two things and and you bring up a

2561
01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:51,040
very good point here which is relevant

2562
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:52,159
to roswell

2563
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:55,520
you have people who claim wendell

2564
01:29:58,629 --> 01:29:58,000
was framed by the cia or that he was

2565
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:58,639
innocent

2566
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:01,840
yet the documents in our book prove this

2567
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,719
is not true

2568
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:04,639
and these are foundational so it doesn't

2569
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,000
matter if somebody says it's

2570
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:08,080
it's not true because it is true same

2571
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:09,280
with roswell

2572
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:11,679
if marcel is saying we collected it it

2573
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:12,480
was only us

2574
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:14,080
and it took us most of the day and

2575
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:16,880
that's why i spent the night at home

2576
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,840
took it there and the next morning well

2577
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:21,840
i'm sorry but if i thought i picked up

2578
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:22,880
anything alien

2579
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:25,360
i'd call my wife even if i didn't have a

2580
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:26,719
cell phone and say hey honey

2581
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,480
i ain't going home tonight or meet me at

2582
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:30,400
the base or whatever i got things i got

2583
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,040
to do

2584
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:33,199
but no it wasn't that kind of debris he

2585
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:34,560
just they just didn't know what it was

2586
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,920
they didn't know could it have been a

2587
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:37,760
project whatever they didn't know

2588
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:40,320
it did bug him that they wouldn't tell

2589
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:40,880
him

2590
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:43,440
he complained about that a lot and

2591
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,159
that's why

2592
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:46,880
again if you look at the review that

2593
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:47,920
raymie wrote in there

2594
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:50,239
including the lieutenant commander the

2595
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:51,440
number two commander

2596
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,880
at roswell colonel uh jennings he wrote

2597
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:56,480
uh

2598
01:31:03,030 --> 01:30:59,679
um marcel's thing as well and

2599
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:03,040
signed off on the uh comments and marcel

2600
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,719
just didn't stay

2601
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:06,960
uh in the military long enough or do the

2602
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:07,920
right things to

2603
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,679
make much of his career and he left on a

2604
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:11,040
hardship discharge

2605
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,639
that doesn't make him the whistleblower

2606
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,560
that the myth is and by the way

2607
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:17,040
one thing stephen uh the last interview

2608
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,719
that marcel gave

2609
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,880
and this is after he was busted for not

2610
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:22,239
telling the truth

2611
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:25,600
um he said i never did believe in little

2612
01:31:30,070 --> 01:31:26,880
green men

2613
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,080
now why would you say that if you

2614
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:32,239
blew open the cosmic watergate and he

2615
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:33,679
said that to bob pratt

2616
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,800
there's no question so again you go back

2617
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:38,480
to the original stuff and like the

2618
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,000
kennedy assassination

2619
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:42,560
the moment that lapel flips up in the

2620
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:45,280
few frames of the zubruder film 222 to

2621
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,880
225

2622
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,639
that proves it was one bullet that

2623
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,080
caused seven injuries

2624
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:52,800
so that's just the way it is and people

2625
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,280
who

2626
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:55,360
understand ballistics know that you

2627
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:57,280
don't always fall backwards when you're

2628
01:32:01,510 --> 01:31:58,960
shot that's hollywood stuff

2629
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,520
but that's how the roswell stuff is so

2630
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,880
we have an excellent question here in

2631
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,159
the live chat if you don't mind taking

2632
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,440
just a few questions i don't know

2633
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:07,760
too much longer i'm about out of things

2634
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:10,960
to have you burst my balloon on

2635
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,480
uh moody mongol asked could you ask cal

2636
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,760
about the project mogul

2637
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,679
instrumentation flown under the giant

2638
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:19,280
balloon i'd heard this too

2639
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:21,760
particularly the instrumentation that

2640
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:23,920
was saucer shaped with domes below it

2641
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:26,320
mics or cameras do you know a little

2642
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,320
more detail about the instrumentation

2643
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:30,080
and what it looked like and maybe that's

2644
01:32:32,709 --> 01:32:30,880
why people

2645
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,719
thought flying saucer because it was

2646
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:34,159
dome shaped

2647
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:37,440
well no because first of all the best

2648
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:39,120
source of what it looked like is the

2649
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,679
actual

2650
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:42,239
engineering stuff that was released by

2651
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:44,080
the air force this report is over a

2652
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:45,920
thousand pages it's bigger than the old

2653
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:47,679
classic old style phone book

2654
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:50,080
i know that may not mean much to young

2655
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:51,679
people who have never seen a phone book

2656
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:52,320
today

2657
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:54,159
but a phone book is usually a couple of

2658
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:55,360
inches thick

2659
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,880
it used to be when they existed and

2660
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,719
that's how big this report is

2661
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:00,960
so what i would recommend is that

2662
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,199
anybody and they're available online

2663
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,520
just search for project mobile you'll

2664
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:07,520
probably find the air force

2665
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:10,000
it's it's been declassified by now for

2666
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:10,639
sure

2667
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:13,040
right but really asked what did you

2668
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,880
think of nick redford's day after

2669
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:17,040
roswell if you're familiar with that

2670
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:19,040
okay uh just a second to wrap up the

2671
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,080
mogul stuff

2672
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:22,320
keep in mind that the purpose of mogul

2673
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:23,440
was to listen

2674
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:26,480
for acoustical signatures that is

2675
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,840
impact signatures uh carried uh

2676
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,520
in the upper atmosphere through the

2677
01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:33,600
acoustical channel from russia

2678
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:35,920
as they were blowing off explosives they

2679
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:37,440
could actually hear this around the

2680
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,560
world

2681
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:40,560
bombs and artillery going off around the

2682
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:42,239
world that's how this was discovered in

2683
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,360
world war ii

2684
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:45,760
and again it was a spy device and then

2685
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,960
they would have

2686
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:48,000
there were things they had to pay

2687
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:50,080
attention to the weather for example if

2688
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:51,199
it was too cloudy

2689
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:53,440
it could interfere with uh picking up

2690
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:54,320
those signals

2691
01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,880
so they would delay flights and it's

2692
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:58,639
important to note that when you claim

2693
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:59,360
that the

2694
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,719
wind wasn't blowing in the right

2695
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,639
direction and all that again that's

2696
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,000
wishful thinking

2697
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:06,480
uh crary admits and moore admitted that

2698
01:34:10,229 --> 01:34:07,920
because they had problems

2699
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,239
getting it just right the record-keeping

2700
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:12,080
wasn't literal meaning there were some

2701
01:34:16,550 --> 01:34:13,520
other stuff that was done

2702
01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:16,560
clusters were deployed and some

2703
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:18,159
stuff was generically put together

2704
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,080
called flight four

2705
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,760
it wasn't like the other flights where

2706
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:23,840
they had gotten the methods down and

2707
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,159
here's flight one two three four

2708
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:28,320
systematic the way that uh

2709
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:30,320
uh the ufc does its fights or the way

2710
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:32,000
that uh musk launches

2711
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:35,360
his spacex ships it wasn't uh

2712
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:38,480
quite there yet so um the reason that

2713
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,040
stuff is

2714
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:41,520
i recommend you check it is the the

2715
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:43,840
science is fascinating the physics very

2716
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:46,080
complicated fascinating stuff

2717
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:48,080
there was a lot going on to this what i

2718
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:49,679
was referring to the saucer shaped

2719
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:52,400
shell that was for the viking lander in

2720
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:53,679
the 70s

2721
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:56,719
okay there's a lot of lead time some of

2722
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,639
these projects started decades earlier

2723
01:35:02,149 --> 01:35:00,400
but that was saucer shaped and that's

2724
01:35:03,669 --> 01:35:02,159
why i have that photo on the cover of

2725
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,679
the new updated one

2726
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,199
and the name of the new book by the way

2727
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,000
is called diary of the last original

2728
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,960
roswell investigator that's me my

2729
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:12,400
diaries have been found

2730
01:35:17,189 --> 01:35:15,040
they're real there's no question this

2731
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:17,199
stuff is real and a lot of people will

2732
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:18,400
remember this

2733
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:20,639
um they're still alive they're on

2734
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,480
facebook with me as friends

2735
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,480
so i'm just letting it all out including

2736
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:26,159
all the school duggary memos and all

2737
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:28,239
that and who i helped and what i did

2738
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:30,000
including that's we're doing the same

2739
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,679
thing with the upcoming lazar book the

2740
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,440
stuff i worked with on stan

2741
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:35,440
when he's excited that i'm going to take

2742
01:35:40,870 --> 01:35:37,840
him out because i did work at kmi

2743
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,880
lazar did not yeah and somebody asked

2744
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,080
about the day after roswell

2745
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,159
but they attributed to nick redfern i

2746
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:46,080
think they met philip corso's book day

2747
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:47,199
after roswell

2748
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:51,679
yeah because a lot of people that i know

2749
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,719
um that are very like not hugely into

2750
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,520
aliens and ufos and conspiracy theories

2751
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:59,280
i've had 10 different friends throughout

2752
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:00,719
the years find that book

2753
01:36:04,149 --> 01:36:02,800
and then call me and tell me like wow

2754
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:04,159
now i know why you're into this

2755
01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:06,880
it really happened and this is this guy

2756
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,800
was so credible telling this story

2757
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,480
and what people i guess need to

2758
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:13,040
understand about phil corso is that

2759
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:14,960
if you were to write a story of a guy

2760
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,320
who would know

2761
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,400
it would be him he worked at the foreign

2762
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,400
technology division

2763
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:22,560
where they studied foreign technology

2764
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:23,520
right so

2765
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,280
it seems like a credible story but then

2766
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,280
it quickly falls apart in my view

2767
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:29,440
what's your view on it yeah it is a

2768
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:30,320
complete fraud

2769
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:33,199
in fact this book here again is the

2770
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:35,119
first book in the world literally who

2771
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:37,280
exposed corso's it came out right after

2772
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:38,800
he wrote his i had to wait for his book

2773
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:39,679
to come out

2774
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:42,800
this wouldn't wait until his book gets

2775
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,560
published so i can tell everybody what

2776
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:45,920
horse [\h__\h] it is

2777
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,719
yeah and fly guy calculator well i had

2778
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:50,320
to i mean my book came out before

2779
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,440
corso's and then

2780
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:53,679
corso's was the best seller this book

2781
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:54,560
became

2782
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,560
so popular that random house bought it

2783
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:58,320
and dell from prometheus went into

2784
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,520
paperback and

2785
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:02,000
i said to the editor of corso has his

2786
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:03,280
book out now should we

2787
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,880
add one more chapter and take it out

2788
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,480
piece of cake he said yeah

2789
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:08,800
so the third original roswell researcher

2790
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:11,119
wrote that chapter his name was in here

2791
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,480
and he totally destroys uh corso's claim

2792
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:16,639
even says that corso got the years wrong

2793
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,760
and that some of these people weren't

2794
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:19,600
even alive when corso says he did

2795
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,000
whatever

2796
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,270
he totally destroys it and he proves

2797
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,800
that corso

2798
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:29,199
uh cribbed his information from friedman

2799
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,320
and others in fact

2800
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:32,400
uh we know because i was one of the

2801
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:34,000
people that corso was

2802
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,679
making the rounds and calling trying to

2803
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,679
get roswell info as he was putting his

2804
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,560
story together

2805
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,239
the same way lazar was trolling for

2806
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,719
billy meyer info while he was faking

2807
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:44,719
making up his story before he released

2808
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,600
it by the way i debated william burns

2809
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,760
the co-author of the book on laura lee

2810
01:37:52,709 --> 01:37:50,719
show

2811
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:52,719
many years ago in seattle the debate was

2812
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,400
stopped halfway through

2813
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,719
this matter of public record because

2814
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,480
burns admitted he didn't know anything

2815
01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,080
about roswell

2816
01:38:03,430 --> 01:38:01,840
he had never heard about it before and

2817
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:03,440
that his job was just to make the

2818
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:04,800
manuscript readable

2819
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:07,920
that's it so you know to i want to

2820
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,880
mention too

2821
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,280
this book i think that it's very

2822
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:13,440
cleverly titled and here's why

2823
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:17,040
when i saw the cover of this book right

2824
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:19,040
the roswell crash what they don't want

2825
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,159
you to know

2826
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:22,000
i was convinced that this was going to

2827
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,239
be another like ride where i was going

2828
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,800
to hear about alien bodies and

2829
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:29,679
and great stories about you know crash

2830
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:30,480
retreat

2831
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:33,600
and then you get it and it's like oh

2832
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:36,800
the truth they don't want you to know is

2833
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:39,520
a lot of this is [\h__\h] yeah and then

2834
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,159
who

2835
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:42,000
doesn't want you to know is all the guys

2836
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,679
that are writing the other books

2837
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:46,239
that reveal the alien portion of the

2838
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:47,440
story

2839
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:50,159
yeah the title alien portion of the

2840
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,199
story

2841
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:53,760
yeah you're absolutely right and i i

2842
01:38:57,910 --> 01:38:55,760
have to give credit where credit is due

2843
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,920
the original title for this book was the

2844
01:39:01,830 --> 01:39:00,080
roswell ufo crash exposed

2845
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,840
so prometheus calls me and they're like

2846
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:03,440
cal there you go again you know because

2847
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:04,239
it was

2848
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,159
the billy meyer ufo case exposed that

2849
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,440
was the original title

2850
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:09,119
so they said no no we can't do that the

2851
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,480
audience is

2852
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,560
what you're telling people is what they

2853
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:16,800
don't want you to know meaning these ufo

2854
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,360
conspiracy authors these roswell authors

2855
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,040
here's what they don't want you to know

2856
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,800
the real facts

2857
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,960
as opposed to what they claim are facts

2858
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,000
so they said we're going to call

2859
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,600
it the roswell ufo crash what they don't

2860
01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:29,840
want you to know and i thought you know

2861
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:31,600
that's great and then when people see

2862
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,440
the title they're going to read in

2863
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,679
what they want to it's called projection

2864
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,440
and people everybody does it

2865
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:39,360
and so it actually was a very good thing

2866
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,800
and god bless them for coming up with

2867
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:43,199
the idea it wasn't mine

2868
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,960
and actually it is rick

2869
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:49,920
redfearn's book is called body snatchers

2870
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:51,840
in the desert and it's largely focused

2871
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:54,880
on the bodies being recovered

2872
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:57,920
well what do you think of it no i

2873
01:40:01,270 --> 01:40:00,080
haven't read it i'll be honest but the

2874
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:01,280
reason i haven't read it

2875
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:02,719
is because being one of the four

2876
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,119
original roswell researchers

2877
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:07,520
nick is not and neither is anybody else

2878
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,960
but us four

2879
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,719
and again the third one has written the

2880
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:12,239
expose on on

2881
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:16,480
corso i didn't do it um the um

2882
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,119
uh there were no bodies so what am i

2883
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,639
supposed to be reading it's science

2884
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:22,320
fiction at that point

2885
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,400
sorry i i you know i'm after the truth

2886
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,560
if somebody can prove that there were

2887
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,159
bodies instead of

2888
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:32,320
claims from people who say they were

2889
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,600
where they

2890
01:40:38,070 --> 01:40:36,159
can't establish foundational anything

2891
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,080
it's not evidence and it's not worth

2892
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,000
looking at because

2893
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:43,280
it doesn't meet the requirement to say

2894
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,400
it's real you can listen to it assess it

2895
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,320
but if it doesn't pass the smell test

2896
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,440
like arts parts

2897
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:51,600
they're exposed in this book too again

2898
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,560
there's a chapter

2899
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:56,080
on arts parts sorry ttsa you're a fraud

2900
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:57,520
where concerns aren't

2901
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,119
parts you're not telling people the

2902
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,639
truth and neither

2903
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,520
was linda molten how who wouldn't accept

2904
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:05,199
the valid analysis

2905
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:08,000
even admitted she just got somebody to

2906
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,560
add

2907
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:10,320
linda mohel got somebody to do a

2908
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:11,840
scientific analysis

2909
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:13,280
and when it came back that it was just

2910
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:15,600
ordinary earthly metals she fired them

2911
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,600
and got somebody that would say it was

2912
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:20,159
more than earthly medals yeah thank you

2913
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,360
and he has very

2914
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,119
this he has a very good question and i

2915
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:25,199
get this myself like because i'm very

2916
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:26,560
skeptical and

2917
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:29,199
uh so she wants to know do you believe

2918
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,239
any anything

2919
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:32,960
i i'm sure she means related to ufos

2920
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:34,159
because you've been studying this since

2921
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,199
you were a kid

2922
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:37,679
or has everything you researched related

2923
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,520
to ufos all been debunked

2924
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:41,199
in other words is there cases that you

2925
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,080
really do believe as alien spacecrafts

2926
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,880
i i i'd like to say thank you for this

2927
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,760
question and

2928
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,719
and um it's an important one and again

2929
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:54,560
thank you for it

2930
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:56,560
i'm after the truth i don't care what

2931
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:58,639
the truth is i just want it so if it

2932
01:42:04,390 --> 01:41:59,119
comes up

2933
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,400
swamp gas to use a very bad

2934
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,560
history analogy that's okay too i just

2935
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:08,000
want the truth

2936
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:11,360
i have seen a ufo i saw it in front of

2937
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,800
witnesses

2938
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,960
was one of many sightings that occurred

2939
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:16,560
for weeks in the bay area

2940
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,600
my own sighting when i say my i say our

2941
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:21,360
because it wasn't just me

2942
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,840
remains unexplained today i still don't

2943
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,040
know of anything

2944
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,880
that was flying that could explain what

2945
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:28,719
i saw what we saw

2946
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:34,400
didn't meet the criteria to say that's

2947
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:37,440
aliens from zeta reticuli

2948
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:39,840
there are a handful of cases which we

2949
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:40,480
are now

2950
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,360
close to i hope solving which i think

2951
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,239
will settle things one way or another

2952
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:48,960
um they're part of this ufology you

2953
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:49,600
fooligy see

2954
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:51,440
people keep saying how polite you are

2955
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,040
tonight i guess that's because

2956
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,360
like you got a little heat more heated

2957
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:57,199
when you're yelling about mikey horn and

2958
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,960
his [\h__\h]

2959
01:43:02,070 --> 01:43:00,560
everybody's saying what you are he's

2960
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:02,080
always like this to me

2961
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,159
i don't know i think he's always all

2962
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,000
right i think there's a misperception

2963
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:08,400
i think i'm blunt uh that doesn't mean

2964
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:10,639
your word

2965
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:14,400
it's hard to to you know have a smile on

2966
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,679
your face and and

2967
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:17,600
be peaches and cream whatever the saying

2968
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,159
is when you know mikey horn is is lying

2969
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:22,159
and endorsing a child molester

2970
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,320
you know okay am i supposed to be like

2971
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,080
oh that's really nice

2972
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,440
you know i gotta tell you one of my

2973
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:29,440
favorite moments of my last show was

2974
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:30,320
when he was

2975
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:34,000
uh using wendell stevens as proof that

2976
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:36,159
billy meyer had a laser gun

2977
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:38,000
and then i dropped that he was a child

2978
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:39,280
molester and he

2979
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,639
lost his [\h__\h] and then i said listen

2980
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,560
if you want to use a child molester if

2981
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,920
you want to sell your child molester as

2982
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:47,199
a source for why

2983
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,480
your space guru got a laser gun okay

2984
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:52,400
if you really want to do that go ahead

2985
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:54,960
and then he did he went through he still

2986
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,360
told the story after after all that it

2987
01:44:02,229 --> 01:43:59,040
was so funny

2988
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:02,239
well let me give you uh a real personal

2989
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,880
example

2990
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,199
uh and if i ever talk to him you know

2991
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,280
like i would debate kevin randle or any

2992
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:09,119
of these researchers anytime anywhere

2993
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,400
any place

2994
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:12,080
in fact i'd like to invite him on my

2995
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,719
show to debate or with rob mcconnell

2996
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:16,320
kevin randall and i are on the same

2997
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,080
network we couldn't

2998
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:20,719
debate years ago because there were uh

2999
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:22,960
people who did death threats and uh

3000
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:24,480
i was in europe at the time we're

3001
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:26,080
supposed to reschedule it but it never

3002
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,199
happened

3003
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,880
but uh i think these debates should

3004
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,440
happen but i also think this year

3005
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,440
there should be accountability meaning

3006
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:35,280
you know this is a pandemic that's still

3007
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,199
going on that's way more important than

3008
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:39,440
little grey leprechauns with due respect

3009
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:41,199
but don't you think though that people

3010
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,119
needs don't really need an escape

3011
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,360
i think that people like i could talk

3012
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,360
about a thousand things going on in the

3013
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,480
world right now

3014
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,639
and a lot of people shows and live

3015
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,000
stream shows seem to be just

3016
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,880
discussing the crazy i think people need

3017
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,239
an escape though

3018
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,800
right now well whatever but i think

3019
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,400
there's there's two views on that do you

3020
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,400
need an escape to the point where

3021
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:05,199
you are a danger to your own self and

3022
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:06,800
other people that's possible in a

3023
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,760
pandemic

3024
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,679
most a lot of people are asymptomatic

3025
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:11,440
and they're getting others killed let's

3026
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,400
be blunt

3027
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,679
yeah there's a letter of the alphabet

3028
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:15,840
nonsense like it's no joke people have

3029
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:16,480
died

3030
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,080
over that letter of the alphabet

3031
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:20,639
nonsense right there's no such thing

3032
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:23,119
as some secret letter of the alphabet

3033
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:24,639
close to the government

3034
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:27,199
dropping information to the peasants and

3035
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:27,760
all these

3036
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:29,360
people bought into it and people

3037
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:31,119
literally died over it

3038
01:45:37,109 --> 01:45:34,719
died conspiracy theory bunch of larping

3039
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:37,119
basically right and i think the attacks

3040
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:38,239
on our capital

3041
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:41,440
drive home the point that when you don't

3042
01:45:46,149 --> 01:45:44,000
push back against extremism whether it's

3043
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:46,159
aliens that don't exist the fact is they

3044
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:46,560
don't

3045
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:49,840
exist folks so if anybody says they do

3046
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:53,280
stop it's not harmless

3047
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:56,080
again stephen you know um that when the

3048
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:56,639
book

3049
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,560
greg long and i was involved in that in

3050
01:46:02,950 --> 01:46:01,760
fact if it weren't for me it would have

3051
01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:02,960
been published

3052
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,320
uh that was part of a deal with

3053
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:06,000
prometheus

3054
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:07,679
i got death threats from people like

3055
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:09,520
john green in canada top bigfoot

3056
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:10,400
researcher

3057
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,639
i never knew until that book came out

3058
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:14,320
that there were militant bigfoot

3059
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:15,119
believers

3060
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,600
who want to kill you just if you say

3061
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:19,679
it's fake yeah oh yeah

3062
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:21,679
recreate the patterson gimlin film with

3063
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,600
national geographic put the guy who wore

3064
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:25,199
it back in the suit

3065
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:26,800
remade by the guy who made it for

3066
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:28,480
patterson recreate the whole thing prove

3067
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:30,000
it's a bunch of hui

3068
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,920
oh i'm gonna kill you now really really

3069
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:36,000
so excuse me if i don't have any

3070
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,840
patience for some of these and why i've

3071
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:39,119
always felt

3072
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:42,320
that if you believe in bigfoot and you

3073
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,600
want to harm somebody

3074
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:45,840
who doesn't believe in it and has proven

3075
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:46,960
a case to be a hoax

3076
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,400
you should be thankful you found the

3077
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,040
truth sorry didn't go the way you hoped

3078
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,400
that's on you not me um we need to stop

3079
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:57,040
this now because it leads to things like

3080
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:59,119
q anon and all this other stuff and of

3081
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,560
course we have enemies out there like

3082
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:03,040
communist china and russia

3083
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:04,719
and north korea and iran who are

3084
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:06,239
exploiting that and

3085
01:47:09,590 --> 01:47:08,719
you've seen the slides as part of how we

3086
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,600
first met

3087
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,440
i showed you these studies that listed

3088
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,960
all the conspiracies

3089
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:14,560
most americans believe in at least one

3090
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:16,960
of them jfk being the granddaddy where

3091
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:17,679
81

3092
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:21,119
of americans at one point believed in

3093
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,840
uh more than one assassin and today 64

3094
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,760
percent of democrats

3095
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,080
believe in the cosmic watergate and that

3096
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:30,239
they're hiding something about roswell

3097
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,080
we can thank people like friedman for

3098
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:34,159
that and today the history channel and

3099
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:35,199
other people

3100
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:37,280
and it's created a culture of suspicion

3101
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:38,560
and distrust

3102
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:41,679
and the government uses ufos to cover up

3103
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,280
and hide their stuff

3104
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,840
um i believe i believe that that and

3105
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:46,800
they have

3106
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:49,920
yeah we didn't just just look at just

3107
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,560
look at

3108
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,800
richard doty and and his involvement

3109
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:54,239
with purposefully

3110
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:56,800
driving a man crazy trying to prove to

3111
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,360
him that

3112
01:48:01,030 --> 01:48:00,000
it was aliens he was seeing and not

3113
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:01,040
drones

3114
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:03,679
that they were developing yeah in fact

3115
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,480
uh

3116
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,400
i did a special with discovery channel

3117
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,320
years ago secrets of area 51

3118
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,320
revealed that's back when discovery was

3119
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:12,560
credible and didn't play fast and loose

3120
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:14,480
with history like history channel does

3121
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:17,280
now and we showed the whole thing that

3122
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,199
that this goes back to

3123
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,840
you know when the air force was arguing

3124
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,560
with this

3125
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,800
cia over control of the ufo issue with

3126
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,320
hoover trying to get control

3127
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:28,080
investigative control which meant bigger

3128
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:31,040
budget he didn't care about ufos and the

3129
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:32,239
air force

3130
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:35,360
doesn't know about the sr-71 blackbird

3131
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:38,000
it's silver the cia makes a point to fly

3132
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:38,560
it past

3133
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:42,239
pilots causing streaking disk reports

3134
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:45,280
very valid reports but faked and then

3135
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:46,000
they painted

3136
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:47,600
black and tell the air force later keep

3137
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:49,440
it from heinek heineck told me

3138
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,920
personally

3139
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,400
more than one occasion that the thing

3140
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:54,239
that was the biggest disappointment to

3141
01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:54,560
him

3142
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,800
being in blue book was that they

3143
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:57,760
withheld

3144
01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,880
the truth from him and he said all they

3145
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:02,320
had to do was tell me it's one of ours

3146
01:49:06,709 --> 01:49:04,400
or don't worry about it some code word

3147
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:06,719
that would have told me to back off and

3148
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:08,159
not think it might be

3149
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,800
alien because you're saying it ain't you

3150
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,639
you're swearing it couldn't be you

3151
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:14,639
you're telling me it's not russian so it

3152
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,560
must be alien but you're like

3153
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:19,599
you know so you've i felt for him

3154
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:22,639
um anyway so you end up with these like

3155
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,119
i say personal attacks i remember uh

3156
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:28,239
you know uh somebody did ask in a live

3157
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:29,679
chat and i wanted to get their question

3158
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:30,800
in

3159
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:34,639
cases that are the most credible

3160
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:37,679
yeah or or maybe unsolved

3161
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,199
yeah um the case is that we're

3162
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,960
think we are going to solve one way or

3163
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,480
another i don't know what the verdict is

3164
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,400
but i'm excited enough about them that

3165
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:48,480
we're doing it spending serious money on

3166
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:49,119
it

3167
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:51,520
the trent photos of 1950 they're

3168
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,719
interesting because

3169
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:55,440
one can do a forensic reconstruction of

3170
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:56,159
them

3171
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,080
using today's technologies that no one's

3172
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:00,320
done before we're working on that

3173
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,199
um i there are people involved in

3174
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,159
including people at apple i work with

3175
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:07,679
i can't really say much more about it

3176
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,400
but it will be solved one way or another

3177
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:12,800
we're also doing this on the hill case

3178
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,440
that case

3179
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:15,920
was solved the star map of marjory fish

3180
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:17,040
does not pan out

3181
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,599
this also proves that friedman knew it

3182
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,520
played loose and fast with the facts

3183
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:23,679
the documents have been found we're

3184
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:25,040
going to be doing that with

3185
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,480
ar and uh qr codes that's part of the

3186
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,400
ufology fooligy series

3187
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:32,639
the good news is that um you have some

3188
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,159
great candidates out there for

3189
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,000
possible extraterrestrial life but it's

3190
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,000
nothing to do with the hill map and of

3191
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:39,920
course that issue is independent of it

3192
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:43,199
the rb47 case is fascinating it's either

3193
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:44,320
real or it's not

3194
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:47,040
the skylab 3 case we're pursuing those

3195
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,080
as well

3196
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:50,560
i'm also pursuing the tic tac stuff but

3197
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:52,960
i have to wait until kamala harris is

3198
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:53,679
sworn in

3199
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:55,840
and a couple more months because there's

3200
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:57,520
a lot going on in dc

3201
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:00,080
and basically i intend to pursue the

3202
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,360
inspector general

3203
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,520
channel now that the dust is settling

3204
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:05,119
enough after this

3205
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:06,800
that's who writes the checks right

3206
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:08,320
that's you're going to follow the money

3207
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:08,800
trail

3208
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,520
of the tic tac ufo store exactly so i'm

3209
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:13,520
pursuing the inspector general stuff

3210
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,520
stuff i've wanted to do a year ago i

3211
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,880
have shared with you stephen and

3212
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,400
confidence some stuff

3213
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,400
i i've had to wait you know kivia's

3214
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:22,320
lawsuit was supposed to be settled

3215
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:24,320
last year the judge said she wanted it

3216
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,360
settled last year

3217
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,679
told all parties it was going to be she

3218
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,440
wouldn't allow it to go into this year

3219
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,840
but then the pandemic hit yeah and that

3220
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,520
slowed everything to a crawl

3221
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:35,440
absolutely but it's still continuing

3222
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:36,960
that's the good news

3223
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,159
it's not dead and it was always real

3224
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:43,280
well so so back to roswell then

3225
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,560
do you think there will ever be like a

3226
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,480
consensus because it seems to me that

3227
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:49,679
for 70 years

3228
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:51,679
you know like you've got the people that

3229
01:51:54,310 --> 01:51:53,280
believe it's aliens you've got the

3230
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:54,320
people that believe

3231
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:57,360
it's all and it's nonsense there's

3232
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,560
nothing to it

3233
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:00,320
and in between too and there's been

3234
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:02,800
other theories floated recently it was

3235
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:03,599
nazi

3236
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,960
it was you know yeah for for what it was

3237
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,960
do you think any jacobs do you think

3238
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,639
we're ever going to get to a roswell

3239
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:12,639
smoking gun that will prove

3240
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:16,000
to most people one way or the other what

3241
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:17,520
it was

3242
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:20,000
okay i'm going to use this real example

3243
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:20,560
as

3244
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:22,800
a valid analogy because it really comes

3245
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:24,080
down to the same

3246
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,440
principles when i did the

3247
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,199
3d computer reconstruction of the

3248
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:31,760
kennedy assassination using wireframes

3249
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,719
we didn't have the

3250
01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:36,080
fancy shaders and technology we do today

3251
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,840
and was able to prove and found the

3252
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,280
moment optically

3253
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,719
that the lapel flips up on kennedy's

3254
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:45,119
governor connolly suit rather in this

3255
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:46,560
brooder film

3256
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:49,920
on those three frames knowing that 18

3257
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:51,840
frames a second roughly is the speed of

3258
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,199
the camera

3259
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,520
that flip up proves it was one bullet

3260
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,280
that went through two people

3261
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:59,920
if someone looks at that admits the

3262
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,080
lapel is flipping up and flipping down

3263
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,320
in a fraction of a second and that what

3264
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,840
caused it to do it was a bullet and

3265
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,199
they're not denying that

3266
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,800
because obviously the bullet came out of

3267
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:11,360
him if they still think it was more than

3268
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:12,320
one bullet

3269
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:14,560
at that point when they're looking at it

3270
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:16,080
i can't help them

3271
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:18,880
with roswell it's the same thing this

3272
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,920
new book

3273
01:53:24,310 --> 01:53:21,760
not only contains everything in the

3274
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:24,320
current book but it provides the whole

3275
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:24,840
back

3276
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:27,599
story of what went on for example ken

3277
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:29,199
randall attacking me over my

3278
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:30,080
intelligence

3279
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,679
i guess he has a problem with the fact i

3280
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,360
finished high school in three years

3281
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:34,960
and was published by then in lecturing

3282
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,880
and teaching at age 13.

3283
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:39,040
i don't know ask him it's stupid and

3284
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,159
ridiculous

3285
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:43,440
i want people to know that he's this way

3286
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:45,840
yeah he did call you stupid i still

3287
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:47,679
remember he called you stupid

3288
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,480
yeah and he's not what he says he is a

3289
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:51,599
different perspective

3290
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:54,719
my ass more like a j a game

3291
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,599
changing shape-shifting uh perspective

3292
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:59,760
that continually changes as long as you

3293
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:01,599
keep selling roswell books

3294
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:04,239
i'm sorry it's time to call it out what

3295
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:04,880
it is

3296
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:07,920
there are a handful of cases that i

3297
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:08,320
think

3298
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,119
are credible enough to spend the time

3299
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:13,440
and resources necessary to solve them if

3300
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,239
we can

3301
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:16,960
i'm only interested in binaries meaning

3302
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,360
true

3303
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:20,159
or false if you can't prove something

3304
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,239
what's the point in trying to prove it

3305
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,560
if you can't do it you can't do it if

3306
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:26,960
you can't know what you can't know

3307
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:30,080
you can't know it so i'm sorry for being

3308
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,800
so

3309
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:33,119
i want to get i'm like you though like

3310
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:34,560
i've been following this story

3311
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:37,760
since i was a kid and my father even

3312
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:40,880
like he was into aviation and stuff but

3313
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,760
you know

3314
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:43,760
he told me i think that's where i first

3315
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:45,599
heard the story my father told me about

3316
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,880
it and then i got

3317
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,639
into books about it and when i got a

3318
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:50,080
little bit older

3319
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:51,840
you know so i've been following this for

3320
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,239
so long and every once in a while

3321
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:56,800
even if it's probably fake when there's

3322
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:58,239
something that comes along that ties

3323
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:59,520
into roswell like the

3324
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:02,159
alien autopsy and the alien interview

3325
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:02,800
and

3326
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:04,560
you know there's even another alien

3327
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,920
interview

3328
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,360
there's all kinds of stuff that's

3329
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:09,520
supposedly tied in i'll i'll

3330
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,920
go sift through it when it comes out you

3331
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:13,280
know because i've been following for

3332
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:14,639
this long but i want to get

3333
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:18,239
to the truth of this thing i hope

3334
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,440
someday we will i do too so i'm going to

3335
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,960
announce something now that

3336
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:25,119
i haven't exclusive to you but there's

3337
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:26,719
others who know about this project just

3338
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:27,920
not public

3339
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:31,040
i am now going to be releasing uh

3340
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,199
in two weeks from today and i'll send

3341
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,719
you a copy of it beta

3342
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:37,840
alpha version some new software that i

3343
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:39,199
have been developing you've got

3344
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:40,239
screenshots of it

3345
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:43,280
that is yeah i want this for myself i'm

3346
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,400
selfish

3347
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:47,040
okay the database sort of thing where

3348
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:47,679
you have yeah

3349
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:49,199
don't don't mention the name yet because

3350
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:50,560
i'm going to make sure i don't i don't

3351
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:51,840
even remember

3352
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:54,480
okay good good good um i'll mention the

3353
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,840
name in two weeks when it launches in

3354
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:58,320
fact stephen if you want i'd be happy to

3355
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,679
come back if you have an opening and

3356
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,760
launch it on your show uh

3357
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:04,719
basically i'm releasing software for

3358
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:05,599
researchers

3359
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,719
from fiction and take this to a whole

3360
01:56:16,149 --> 01:56:12,960
new level we're talking everything from

3361
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,159
workflows to case analysis

3362
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:18,080
you name it for years i've done this

3363
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:22,000
database work on all kinds of subjects

3364
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:25,280
from terrorism to jfk's murder used it

3365
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,880
many years as an analyst and programmer

3366
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:30,719
software designer et cetera a member of

3367
01:56:33,910 --> 01:56:32,560
the hypercar team years ago at apple and

3368
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:33,920
clara so on

3369
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:36,080
and what i've done is i've adapted it

3370
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,119
over the years

3371
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,199
from my own private use because i have

3372
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:41,119
privately funded ufo researchers for

3373
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,560
years even with computers

3374
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:44,880
i've just never talked publicly about it

3375
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:46,719
so what i'm doing now is i have a deal

3376
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,199
with

3377
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:48,800
some researchers who have very large

3378
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:51,040
archives and i'm going to be providing

3379
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:52,400
them with software

3380
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:55,280
to optimize whatever we can learn from

3381
01:56:58,790 --> 01:56:56,320
those archives

3382
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:58,800
and then with one button we can make it

3383
01:57:01,270 --> 01:57:00,639
a book or whatever you want and get it

3384
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,280
out there

3385
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:03,599
public or send a foia request to

3386
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:04,560
whomever yeah

3387
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:06,880
i've seen kevin randle saying that's the

3388
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:08,560
software that you've been using for a

3389
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:11,199
long time he's generating these reports

3390
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:12,880
and these slide shows and these

3391
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:15,360
and it's all database driven and you can

3392
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,280
once you've loaded all this stuff into

3393
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:19,199
the database you can pull items

3394
01:57:23,990 --> 01:57:21,520
and it is amazing from what i've seen so

3395
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:24,000
and i'm a software guy so for me

3396
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:25,840
yeah so this is what i'm going to be

3397
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:27,520
releasing we're going to do a controlled

3398
01:57:29,669 --> 01:57:28,320
release

3399
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:29,679
because we have to test it with a

3400
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,080
handful of researchers to beat it up

3401
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:34,080
in a very hardcore environment we're

3402
01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:35,440
talking i know

3403
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:42,870
and i wanted bug reports but jesus i was

3404
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:45,440
getting 200 emails a day for a while and

3405
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:48,480
a lot of them were duplicates but still

3406
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:50,880
so yeah i can help you get some people

3407
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:52,880
to beat it up don't worry

3408
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:54,800
well the uh we're going to have a very

3409
01:57:58,550 --> 01:57:56,239
tight controlled release at first

3410
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:58,560
because we want to populate it with data

3411
01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,719
that's the first thing then we can work

3412
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:02,080
on how to sort it out

3413
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:04,560
so the workflow functionality will be

3414
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:06,080
one of the last layers because

3415
01:58:09,510 --> 01:58:07,360
there are things that you're interested

3416
01:58:10,070 --> 01:58:09,520
in that i'm not you're looking for i'm

3417
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:10,080
not

3418
01:58:13,750 --> 01:58:11,760
there's also stuff workflows and

3419
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:13,760
approaches that we should all share

3420
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,840
so that if i see something i can flag it

3421
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:17,440
and auto magically send it to you with

3422
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:19,280
one click or whatever

3423
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:21,679
and then the very last layer i'm going

3424
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:23,040
to run

3425
01:58:29,270 --> 01:58:27,280
is um go ahead and run ai on it

3426
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:29,280
and that's going to be very interesting

3427
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:30,480
because if you got the

3428
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:33,040
inputs right i'm hopeful ai will come up

3429
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:33,840
with stuff

3430
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:36,239
even about certain researchers and we'll

3431
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,080
just see what happens from then

3432
01:58:42,629 --> 01:58:40,159
um yeah you never know when you let ai

3433
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,639
lose what it's going to do

3434
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:45,280
now i will tell you that we just added

3435
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:47,760
the ability to support machine learning

3436
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:50,159
but that can is way kicked down the road

3437
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:50,960
until we've got

3438
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,599
everything working fine i'm very aware

3439
01:58:57,510 --> 01:58:55,520
having worked for a company yes i'm not

3440
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:57,520
making it up cyberdyne systems i'm not

3441
01:59:00,950 --> 01:58:58,719
making it up folks

3442
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,960
i'm very aware of what that kind of

3443
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:02,880
stuff can do

3444
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:06,639
in the extreme application let's just

3445
01:59:10,470 --> 01:59:07,440
put it that way

3446
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:10,480
but i'm a very big fan of ai so this is

3447
01:59:13,990 --> 01:59:12,400
what i'm releasing and it'll be out in

3448
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:14,000
two weeks and then the name will be

3449
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:15,199
known to people

3450
01:59:18,629 --> 01:59:16,960
and i'm just adapting stuff i've used

3451
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:18,639
for years and i wanna

3452
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:19,920
i think there could be a lot of help to

3453
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:21,599
people that are trying to research these

3454
01:59:23,189 --> 01:59:22,000
things

3455
01:59:25,270 --> 01:59:23,199
i'm happy to hear that you're gonna

3456
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:25,280
share it so yeah i want to because it's

3457
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:26,639
not about me it's about getting to the

3458
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:27,280
truth

3459
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,760
i know everyone's in the selfies now but

3460
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:32,560
that's that's whatever you know

3461
01:59:35,669 --> 01:59:34,719
yeah well listen i want to thank you for

3462
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,679
doing this tonight

3463
01:59:40,390 --> 01:59:37,360
i'm going to play us out with a with a

3464
01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:40,400
quick bumper you just hold tight while

3465
01:59:43,830 --> 01:59:41,920
after that happens if you don't mind

3466
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:43,840
okay sure no problem i want to thank

3467
01:59:46,870 --> 01:59:45,199
each and every one of my i'm going to

3468
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,880
throw you out for just a moment here

3469
01:59:50,070 --> 01:59:48,880
and then i want to i want to thank each

3470
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:50,080
and every one of uh

3471
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:51,920
the live chat participants the guests we

3472
01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:53,360
had great attendance tonight for a

3473
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:56,000
special event here revisiting roswell

3474
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:57,520
i want to thank each and every one of

3475
02:00:02,709 --> 01:59:59,440
you for joining us because

3476
02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:02,719
uh i've been very fortunate that when we

3477
02:00:05,350 --> 02:00:04,400
go to do our thing there is a great

3478
02:00:07,350 --> 02:00:05,360
audience there

3479
02:00:08,790 --> 02:00:07,360
and thank you all so much for being a

3480
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:08,800
part of mine

3481
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,719
uh until next time friends my name is

3482
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:12,480
stephen campion

3483
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:14,480
i'm sure that we're gonna do a part two

3484
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:16,560
after i look up some of this stuff that

3485
02:00:20,629 --> 02:00:17,360
he

3486
02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:20,639
disagreed with me on and and we'll see

3487
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:23,040
if i just now i'm stuck in the middle

3488
02:00:26,950 --> 02:00:23,760
here

3489
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:26,960
as far as roswell he burst my roswell

3490
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:28,080
balloons

3491
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:30,960
and i both love and hate him for it so

3492
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:32,800
until next time friends my name is steve

3493
02:00:50,820 --> 02:00:34,960
kambian good night and god bless

3494
02:02:09,110 --> 02:01:29,930
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